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Longy
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Why do i always feel weak tight in these spots?
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November 09, 2007, 04:55:14 PM »
Villan is a bit of an unknown (i extensively datamine) is playing at least 2 tables, I have just joined the table and have no feel for his play apart from his stats. Villan is running 26/7/1 through 50 hands.
Call this all in? Comments on the rest of the hand welcome.
Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Stack sizes:
UTG: $96.53
UTG+1: $87.07
Hero: $98.50
Button: $106.68
SB: $161.67
BB: $86.01
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $4.5, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls.
Flop:
($10.5, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $7, UTG+1 calls.
Turn:
($24.5, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $15, UTG+1 raises all-in $75.57, Hero feels like a nit and then?
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doubleup
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Re: Why do i always feel weak tight in these spots?
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November 09, 2007, 05:32:31 PM »
I'm folding - there are just too many credible hands that are beating you and I'm struggling to find a worse hand that he would go ai with.
For me the interesting point of the hand is whether you should have bet the turn or not. Giving a free card and letting a singleton diamond draw out on the river seems like a mistake, but in reality it probably doesnt happen that much - maybe 10-12%? With his stats he could limp with AJ/AQ, so by checking you miss some value. Would be interested in others thoughts.
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Re: Why do i always feel weak tight in these spots?
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November 09, 2007, 05:38:29 PM »
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Hero feels like a nit and then?
calls, knowing that even if he loses this hand his shania is so good he can make it back in future hands.
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ifm
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Re: Why do i always feel weak tight in these spots?
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November 09, 2007, 05:41:17 PM »
Quote from: totalise on November 09, 2007, 05:38:29 PM
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Hero feels like a nit and then?
calls, knowing that even if he loses this hand his shania is so good he can make it back in future hands.
LOL
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Re: Why do i always feel weak tight in these spots?
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November 09, 2007, 05:42:30 PM »
Quote from: ifm on November 09, 2007, 05:41:17 PM
Quote from: totalise on November 09, 2007, 05:38:29 PM
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Hero feels like a nit and then?
calls, knowing that even if he loses this hand his shania is so good he can make it back in future hands.
LOL
??
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Moskvich
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Re: Why do i always feel weak tight in these spots?
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November 09, 2007, 06:03:30 PM »
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For me the interesting point of the hand is whether you should have bet the turn or not. Giving a free card and letting a singleton diamond draw out on the river seems like a mistake, but in reality it probably doesnt happen that much - maybe 10-12%? With his stats he could limp with AJ/AQ, so by checking you miss some value. Would be interested in others thoughts.
I'm struggling with this at the moment too, always seem to make the wrong decision. Depends on the Villain i guess, and on how you've been playing - but I think some aren't going to even call on the turn here with much that you're beating, and by building the pot you may be encouraging them to bluff any scary river, of which there are many, giving you another problem. I think I probably prefer to check the turn and call or value-bet a non-diamond river.
I suppose checking might lose some value, but isn't it difficult to say given that at this stage we've no idea where we are? If the river's a blank and he then decides to bet his AQ or JJ then we might be gaining value as he thinks he's ahead with a hand he might not have called with on the turn.
Just noticed that you haven't played with him before, so since you have no idea what he's called you with here I think maybe pot-control is a good idea. As it is I don't really think you can call the cr all-in.
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Re: Why do i always feel weak tight in these spots?
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November 09, 2007, 06:04:10 PM »
insta call. he has A7.
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Re: Why do i always feel weak tight in these spots?
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November 09, 2007, 06:05:40 PM »
Quote from: totalise on November 09, 2007, 05:38:29 PM
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Hero feels like a nit and then?
calls, knowing that even if he loses this hand his shania is so good he can make it back in future hands.
hmmmm are $100nl players paying attention? Anyway if they are are would your advice be different if you could open fold your 2pr? Would it be different if the software would automatically fold your hand without showing if it was a loser?
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Re: Why do i always feel weak tight in these spots?
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November 09, 2007, 06:19:04 PM »
Quote from: doubleup on November 09, 2007, 06:05:40 PM
Quote from: totalise on November 09, 2007, 05:38:29 PM
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Hero feels like a nit and then?
calls, knowing that even if he loses this hand his shania is so good he can make it back in future hands.
hmmmm are $100nl players paying attention? Anyway if they are are would your advice be different if you could open fold your 2pr? Would it be different if the software would automatically fold your hand without showing if it was a loser?
no, its just an added value
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Re: Why do i always feel weak tight in these spots?
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November 09, 2007, 06:47:22 PM »
Quote from: totalise on November 09, 2007, 05:42:30 PM
Quote from: ifm on November 09, 2007, 05:41:17 PM
Quote from: totalise on November 09, 2007, 05:38:29 PM
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Hero feels like a nit and then?
calls, knowing that even if he loses this hand his shania is so good he can make it back in future hands.
LOL
??
OOPS, didn't realise you were serious.
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Re: Why do i always feel weak tight in these spots?
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November 09, 2007, 07:37:20 PM »
From my experience, more often than not, you are beat here. I'd probably say he has a set of sevens if anything, maybe
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Re: Why do i always feel weak tight in these spots?
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November 09, 2007, 07:43:44 PM »
Quote from: ifm on November 09, 2007, 06:47:22 PM
Quote from: totalise on November 09, 2007, 05:42:30 PM
Quote from: ifm on November 09, 2007, 05:41:17 PM
Quote from: totalise on November 09, 2007, 05:38:29 PM
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Hero feels like a nit and then?
calls, knowing that even if he loses this hand his shania is so good he can make it back in future hands.
LOL
??
OOPS, didn't realise you were serious.
ok, thanks for the input
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robyong
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Re: Why do i always feel weak tight in these spots?
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November 09, 2007, 08:37:50 PM »
Hello mate,
I think you make 3 mistakes here:
1. Raising a limper with a
rag Ace
in the cut off (assume limpers have small pairs so your implied odds of winning a big pot are small as he will fold on flop unless he hits set)
2. Betting the turn when a scare card for
you
comes
3. Considering
calling all-in
when the scare card comes and you don't know the player
so, I would avoid these situations and if you get into one, keep the pot small and maybe pick up a bluff bet on the river
In 100bb NL cash games making steals pre flop / on the flop can get you into trouble (raising a limper with A8 is a positional steal IMO), I would look to play hands where I'm goona win someones whole stack such as suited connectors and small pairs, I dont want to play hands that dont play well on the flop and win big pots like AQ or lower.
Cheers Rob
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Re: Why do i always feel weak tight in these spots?
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November 09, 2007, 08:41:48 PM »
Quote from: totalise on November 09, 2007, 07:43:44 PM
Quote from: ifm on November 09, 2007, 06:47:22 PM
Quote from: totalise on November 09, 2007, 05:42:30 PM
Quote from: ifm on November 09, 2007, 05:41:17 PM
Quote from: totalise on November 09, 2007, 05:38:29 PM
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Hero feels like a nit and then?
calls, knowing that even if he loses this hand his shania is so good he can make it back in future hands.
LOL
??
OOPS, didn't realise you were serious.
ok, thanks for the input
YVW
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Sometimes you have to suffer a little bit in your youth to motivate yourself to succeed in later life.
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Re: Why do i always feel weak tight in these spots?
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November 10, 2007, 04:00:36 PM »
fold.
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