Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

[Karabiner]

It's mince-pies not mincer-pies.

Tony has corrupted your rhyming-slang by saying it wrong for years.

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It's mince-pies not mincer-pies.

Tony has corrupted your rhyming-slang by saying it wrong for years.

Thanks Ralph. Consider me suitably contrite.

I love it when people are irritated enough to correct improper use of language. My current teeth gritter is 'Hence why".

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Scotland to ban smacking.

I'm as big an opponent of child abuse as you are ever likely to find, but I think being unable to discipline your children will ultimately cause them more pain than the occasional smack on the bum.


I mean, what do you do if your 10 year old decides to paint your car and kicks you in the shins whilst shouting fuck off every time you try to stop him?

What if he keeps putting a plastic bag over his little sister's head when you are not looking?

What if your 5 year old keeps trying to stick hair-pins in the plug sockets despite constant warnings and explanations about the consequences?

We almost never got a smack because we knew the threat of it wasn't empty. If my dad said, "Don't do that or you will get a smack" it was simple, we didn't do it.

Everyone has to learn what reasonable behaviour is, whether they start as a child or an adult.

The argument against smacking children says that they should be afforded the same protection as an adult, but guess what? Parents aren't responsible for adults and the courts won't deal with your child if he jumps off the sofa on to the cat's head.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49908849

[Doobs]

Scotland to ban smacking.

I'm as big an opponent of child abuse as you are ever likely to find, but I think being unable to discipline your children will ultimately cause them more pain than the occasional smack on the bum.


I mean, what do you do if your 10 year old decides to paint your car and kicks you in the shins whilst shouting fuck off every time you try to stop him?

What if he keeps putting a plastic bag over his little sister's head when you are not looking?

What if your 5 year old keeps trying to stick hair-pins in the plug sockets despite constant warnings and explanations about the consequences?

We almost never got a smack because we knew the threat of it wasn't empty. If my dad said, "Don't do that or you will get a smack" it was simple, we didn't do it.

Everyone has to learn what reasonable behaviour is, whether they start as a child or an adult.

The argument against smacking children says that they should be afforded the same protection as an adult, but guess what? Parents aren't responsible for adults and the courts won't deal with your child if he jumps off the sofa on to the cat's head.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49908849

Don't hit them.   

Schools manage to control 30 kids at a time these days without smacking them.  It is kind of embarassing for me if I can't control one without smacking them.  My school life was a lot different to my children's current one; everybody hit each other back then, kids, teachers, parents, the lot.  I am sure you still get bullying at schools, but I just think people put the rose tinted glasses on when talking of the goood old days. 

The kids don't learn reasonable behaviour is to not stick pins in sockets, they learn reasonable behaviour is to smack each other.  Take the pins off them, cover the sockets, take them away from the danger and/or give them a ball to play with.   

I'd be pretty surprised if you found me a murderer that wasn't smacked as a child. 

When did you ever see a calm adult hit a kid?  I'd go as far as to suggest that unless there is some kind of imminent danger, shouting at them is pretty hopeless as a strategy to calm a situation down too.  I am not as controlled as my post implies, but I am better than I was whe the first one came along.  Will see how the teenage years go.

[Karabiner]

It's mince-pies not mincer-pies.

Tony has corrupted your rhyming-slang by saying it wrong for years.

Thanks Ralph. Consider me suitably contrite.

I love it when people are irritated enough to correct improper use of language. My current teeth gritter is 'Hence why".

I used to play snooker at The Stadium club where we "played" last year with an older guy and decent player called Clarrie Plowman.

Clarrie used to drive me to distraction by referring to the pink ball as the "pen and ink" which any self-respecting cockney speaker knows means stink - but however many times I tried to explain that the the correct term for the pink ball is the "kitchen" as in kitchen-sink he just chose to ignore me.

Rather like Tony and his confounded mincers.

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Scotland to ban smacking.

I'm as big an opponent of child abuse as you are ever likely to find, but I think being unable to discipline your children will ultimately cause them more pain than the occasional smack on the bum.


I mean, what do you do if your 10 year old decides to paint your car and kicks you in the shins whilst shouting fuck off every time you try to stop him?

What if he keeps putting a plastic bag over his little sister's head when you are not looking?

What if your 5 year old keeps trying to stick hair-pins in the plug sockets despite constant warnings and explanations about the consequences?

We almost never got a smack because we knew the threat of it wasn't empty. If my dad said, "Don't do that or you will get a smack" it was simple, we didn't do it.

Everyone has to learn what reasonable behaviour is, whether they start as a child or an adult.

The argument against smacking children says that they should be afforded the same protection as an adult, but guess what? Parents aren't responsible for adults and the courts won't deal with your child if he jumps off the sofa on to the cat's head.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49908849

Don't hit them.   

Schools manage to control 30 kids at a time these days without smacking them.  It is kind of embarassing for me if I can't control one without smacking them.  My school life was a lot different to my children's current one; everybody hit each other back then, kids, teachers, parents, the lot.  I am sure you still get bullying at schools, but I just think people put the rose tinted glasses on when talking of the goood old days. 

The kids don't learn reasonable behaviour is to not stick pins in sockets, they learn reasonable behaviour is to smack each other.  Take the pins off them, cover the sockets, take them away from the danger and/or give them a ball to play with.   

I'd be pretty surprised if you found me a murderer that wasn't smacked as a child. 

When did you ever see a calm adult hit a kid?  I'd go as far as to suggest that unless there is some kind of imminent danger, shouting at them is pretty hopeless as a strategy to calm a situation down too.  I am not as controlled as my post implies, but I am better than I was whe the first one came along.  Will see how the teenage years go.

Although I don't agree I think that's fair comment, except for the substitution of 'Hit' for 'Smack'.

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It's mince-pies not mincer-pies.

Tony has corrupted your rhyming-slang by saying it wrong for years.

Thanks Ralph. Consider me suitably contrite.

I love it when people are irritated enough to correct improper use of language. My current teeth gritter is 'Hence why".

I used to play snooker at The Stadium club where we "played" last year with an older guy and decent player called Clarrie Plowman.

Clarrie used to drive me to distraction by referring to the pink ball as the "pen and ink" which any self-respecting cockney speaker knows means stink - but however many times I tried to explain that the the correct term for the pink ball is the "kitchen" as in kitchen-sink he just chose to ignore me.

Rather like Tony and his confounded mincers.

I used to play snooker with a bloke who always nominated black by proclaiming "Ton of coal".

Silly bastard did my head in, and the situation wasn't helped by the fact that he was one of my bogey men.

[Jon MW]

Scotland to ban smacking.

I'm as big an opponent of child abuse as you are ever likely to find, but I think being unable to discipline your children will ultimately cause them more pain than the occasional smack on the bum.


I mean, what do you do if your 10 year old decides to paint your car and kicks you in the shins whilst shouting fuck off every time you try to stop him?

What if he keeps putting a plastic bag over his little sister's head when you are not looking?

What if your 5 year old keeps trying to stick hair-pins in the plug sockets despite constant warnings and explanations about the consequences?

We almost never got a smack because we knew the threat of it wasn't empty. If my dad said, "Don't do that or you will get a smack" it was simple, we didn't do it.

Everyone has to learn what reasonable behaviour is, whether they start as a child or an adult.

The argument against smacking children says that they should be afforded the same protection as an adult, but guess what? Parents aren't responsible for adults and the courts won't deal with your child if he jumps off the sofa on to the cat's head.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49908849

I think the biggest problem with the idea of hitting children to control them is - it doesn't work.

For example, with your idea of a 10 year old like that- do you think it would be likely that would be the first time they've ever misbehaved like this and responded violently to a reprimand? Because I would assume it wouldn't be, and if that's the case then surely the previous response would have been to also smack them. If it didn't alter their behaviour before, why would it by doing it again?

There might be more of a case for it altering behaviour for younger children, but it won't necessarily alter it in terms of making them stop doing dangerous behaviour - it might just mean they do the same behaviour and make sure you're not watching when they do it. So the consequence actually makes it more dangerous for them.

As Doobs suggested - for every situation that can be controlled by smacking, there's always a better alternative way of doing it.

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I like emojis. Used sparingly they can add clarity to a short message, but why do some people think that they need to add half a dozen to a three word text.

Mrs Red is a prime example...

🚗🕛👍I've just arrived 😊🎉❤️

[RED-DOG]

Scotland to ban smacking.

I'm as big an opponent of child abuse as you are ever likely to find, but I think being unable to discipline your children will ultimately cause them more pain than the occasional smack on the bum.


I mean, what do you do if your 10 year old decides to paint your car and kicks you in the shins whilst shouting fuck off every time you try to stop him?

What if he keeps putting a plastic bag over his little sister's head when you are not looking?

What if your 5 year old keeps trying to stick hair-pins in the plug sockets despite constant warnings and explanations about the consequences?

We almost never got a smack because we knew the threat of it wasn't empty. If my dad said, "Don't do that or you will get a smack" it was simple, we didn't do it.

Everyone has to learn what reasonable behaviour is, whether they start as a child or an adult.

The argument against smacking children says that they should be afforded the same protection as an adult, but guess what? Parents aren't responsible for adults and the courts won't deal with your child if he jumps off the sofa on to the cat's head.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49908849

I think the biggest problem with the idea of hitting children to control them is - it doesn't work.

For example, with your idea of a 10 year old like that- do you think it would be likely that would be the first time they've ever misbehaved like this and responded violently to a reprimand? Because I would assume it wouldn't be, and if that's the case then surely the previous response would have been to also smack them. If it didn't alter their behaviour before, why would it by doing it again?

There might be more of a case for it altering behaviour for younger children, but it won't necessarily alter it in terms of making them stop doing dangerous behaviour - it might just mean they do the same behaviour and make sure you're not watching when they do it. So the consequence actually makes it more dangerous for them.

As Doobs suggested - for every situation that can be controlled by smacking, there's always a better alternative way of doing it.

I think we kind of agree Jon. The discipline, and we're talking a light smack and a stern tone here, not 'Hitting' is usually over by the time the child is old enough to reason with.

NB Sometimes the reasoning might include the phrase, "If you don't behave, I'll kill you"

I think, as Doobs alludes to, the problems start when parents smack children because they are angry.

Consistency is key.

[tikay]

This photo was taken in 1975.

Name the make/models of cars you can see.

atdc21 & Longines will likely be the 2 petrol heads you have to beat.

Click to see full-size image.

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This photo was taken in 1975.

Name the make/models of cars you can see.

atdc21 & Longines will likely be the 2 petrol heads you have to beat.

Click to see full-size image.

Middle of the road I'm going for Escort, Merc, Maxi, Viva, Capri, Volvo, Consul.

Left of road Woolsey, Mini, Avenger, Ford 100e estate, Reliant, Mini, Maxi.

Right of road Viva, Rover 3500.

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I've just realised who I look like now.

Click to see full-size image.

[tikay]

 

Click to see full-size image.

[tikay]

This photo was taken in 1975.

Name the make/models of cars you can see.

atdc21 & Longines will likely be the 2 petrol heads you have to beat.

Click to see full-size image.

Middle of the road I'm going for Escort, Merc, Maxi, Viva, Capri, Volvo, Consul.

Left of road Woolsey, Mini, Avenger, Ford 100e estate, Reliant, Mini, Maxi.

Right of road Viva, Rover 3500.

Blimey, that's about 10 more than I could name.

Longines & Adey will beat you though.