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« Reply #32265 on: December 27, 2019, 01:23:06 PM »



No man-flu, just a bad cold. Problem is being anaphlactic to antibiotics I need to be careful that it doesn't become a chest infection. There's only one tablet I can have (ie no rection so far) but generally me on antibiotics makes everyone nervous, so not powering through a cold is sensible for me, the hospitals struggle enough without having to find me a bed just so I can get drip fed different antibiotics.


I think everything from a snotty nose to pneumonia counts as man-flu Rod.

Being allergic to antibiotics is a bit of a bugger but tell me this, is it just your mouth that's allergic? Can you have the same drug intravenously that you react to orally?





No it's the antibiotic. Anything of the penicillin familly & a couple of others.

I've had 2 proper anaphylactic shocks. First New Years Day 3 years back, was recovering from pleurisy & felt a chest infection starting. Went to the hospital to get amoxicillin which I'd taken a couple of months before. Mum went with to visit a friend int he hospital. Waiting for her to come back I took the first tablets, by the time she came back I was dizzy, flushed, really feeling ill. Got her to go get a doctor (same one who gave me the tablets) he thought I'd a sudden drop in blood pressure, but it wasn't coming back up. Off down the corridor to A&E ina  wheelchair, was there 5 minutes & I was on a trolley, surrounded by docs & nurses, last I remember before passing out was 'Adrenalin injection, quick!!' 'I'll go get one' 'No time use the emergency epipen!!' - having known a few anaphlactics I knew what was up - and though it might be my number. Woke up later feeling fine but they keep you in for a night.

If it had been a week later I was a gonner - I'd have got my prescription, taken the tablets at home, felt ill, went to bed, passed out & goodbye.

Just over a year later I got an infection in my elbow. Clarithromyacin was the only antibiotic tablet my doc would risk with me, but it's pretty useless at that type of infection. The infection was growing so I was sent to hospital. The doc I first saw there admitted he hadn'ty a clue what to give me, so called the bio-meds dept in Glasgow, they recommended Vancamyacin which is only given intravenously. 3 days of drips & it's not doing much, the infection isn't growing, but it isn't going down either. Another doc comes in and gives me a drip of Clindamycin, nearly the full bag in, another shock. This time the full face selling, struggling to breathe one. Epipens shoot a needle into your thigh, you don't feel it though, your system is going nuts. After that I was back on a really high Vancamycin dose, which worked.

I've since been for tests, found a couple that might have been OK, but my peak flow test dropped after a small dose & they stopped the tests. The doc actually brought groups through to show them test results, apparently to develop anaphlaxis so suddenly, and violently & to be allergic to such a spectrum is really rare.

So that's me - got 3 minorly effective antibiotics that I can risk. Spoke to the local ambulanceman & he's guaranteed that with 2 epipens (they relieve symptoms for about 30 minutes, but it's just a delay), they can get me either to the hospital (30 miles away), or to more emergeny epipens, he's been very reassuring that I'm covered. I don't gamble with cheese or bread that is getting a bit old in case pencillin develops, thankfully that's all that has set me off so far.




Wow!

It's shocking how close you can come to the old wooden overcoat in such a short time.

It's also a good example of the mess we'll all be in when antibiotics become ineffective.

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« Reply #32266 on: December 27, 2019, 02:11:55 PM »

I didn’t think black folk could swim?
Didn’t they know that ?
Some old racist myth
Terrible tragedy though ,what must the survivor have thought ?
She was praying apparently?

Some years ago there was a large ish - idk how large hole on a site
A man went down to do something ,he collapsed due to low oxygen levels displaced by carbon monoxide apparently
His mate went  to rescue him ,he collapsed
His mate went to rescue him
All 3 were found dead in a bomb crater I assumed type hole
Not enclosed not a manhole
Very very strange
My guys are on a v strict never go down anything deeper than waist deep
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« Reply #32267 on: December 27, 2019, 10:15:30 PM »

Costa del Sol: Mother insists husband and children who drowned at resort could swim





https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50929536
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« Reply #32268 on: December 28, 2019, 08:26:02 AM »

Mother says family could swim.

Something was dragging them towards the middle of the pool.

Spanish police say pool was functioning correctly.



What I don't understand is what does functioning correctly mean? It's a concrete hole designed to hold water, how could it function incorrectly?

Was there a wave system?

Was there a big plughole with the stopper left out?

The pool is open to the public, why doesn't one of the on scene reporters go and have a swim in it and then tell us what it's like?
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« Reply #32269 on: December 28, 2019, 08:39:17 AM »

How come my name gets associated with all sorts of crap?

Tommy guns.

Tommy Knockers.

Peeping Toms.

Doubting Thomasisis.

Tom cats.

Tom tits.

Tom foolery.


How come Kevins don't get this treatment?
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« Reply #32270 on: December 28, 2019, 08:58:55 AM »

Mother says family could swim.

Something was dragging them towards the middle of the pool.

Spanish police say pool was functioning correctly.



What I don't understand is what does functioning correctly mean? It's a concrete hole designed to hold water, how could it function incorrectly?

Was there a wave system?

Was there a big plughole with the stopper left out?

The pool is open to the public, why doesn't one of the on scene reporters go and have a swim in it and then tell us what it's like?

How deep is it?
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« Reply #32271 on: December 28, 2019, 09:10:14 AM »

Mother says family could swim.

Something was dragging them towards the middle of the pool.

Spanish police say pool was functioning correctly.



What I don't understand is what does functioning correctly mean? It's a concrete hole designed to hold water, how could it function incorrectly?

Was there a wave system?

Was there a big plughole with the stopper left out?

The pool is open to the public, why doesn't one of the on scene reporters go and have a swim in it and then tell us what it's like?

It is also reported that the sister, who was in the pool with the younger one, said the 3 of them couldn't swim.  The two sisters were originally in the shallow end, but one "slipped" into the deep end.

I don't know the truth, just that there are two sides.

Why have 28 pools though?  And if it the water is cold, and there is no lifeguard, why not close it?
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« Reply #32272 on: December 28, 2019, 09:11:55 AM »

Mother says family could swim.

Something was dragging them towards the middle of the pool.

Spanish police say pool was functioning correctly.



What I don't understand is what does functioning correctly mean? It's a concrete hole designed to hold water, how could it function incorrectly?

Was there a wave system?

Was there a big plughole with the stopper left out?

The pool is open to the public, why doesn't one of the on scene reporters go and have a swim in it and then tell us what it's like?

Yes, the Mother says they could all swim. But.....


"Earlier, Spanish media reported another of Mrs Diya's daughters had told police the three who drowned could not swim.". (Later denied by the Mother).


As to "functioning normally", in a pool that size - it was barely bigger than a private pool - it usually refers, I imagine, to the chemical balance. Too many chemicals can be very dangerous in swimming pools. 

There is a degree of suction around the filter outlet (where the girl's swimming hat was found) , just as there is in a sink or bath plug hole - but it's hard to envisage it was strong enough to suck someone to their death.




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« Reply #32273 on: December 28, 2019, 09:13:28 AM »

Mother says family could swim.

Something was dragging them towards the middle of the pool.

Spanish police say pool was functioning correctly.



What I don't understand is what does functioning correctly mean? It's a concrete hole designed to hold water, how could it function incorrectly?

Was there a wave system?

Was there a big plughole with the stopper left out?

The pool is open to the public, why doesn't one of the on scene reporters go and have a swim in it and then tell us what it's like?

It is also reported that the sister, who was in the pool with the younger one, said the 3 of them couldn't swim.  The two sisters were originally in the shallow end, but one "slipped" into the deep end.

I don't know the truth, just that there are two sides.

Why have 28 pools though?  And if it the water is cold, and there is no lifeguard, why not close it?


Our Posts crossed, but that was my point too.

It's all very odd, & of course dreadfully sad.
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« Reply #32274 on: December 28, 2019, 10:03:19 AM »



No man-flu, just a bad cold. Problem is being anaphlactic to antibiotics I need to be careful that it doesn't become a chest infection. There's only one tablet I can have (ie no rection so far) but generally me on antibiotics makes everyone nervous, so not powering through a cold is sensible for me, the hospitals struggle enough without having to find me a bed just so I can get drip fed different antibiotics.


I think everything from a snotty nose to pneumonia counts as man-flu Rod.

Being allergic to antibiotics is a bit of a bugger but tell me this, is it just your mouth that's allergic? Can you have the same drug intravenously that you react to orally?





No it's the antibiotic. Anything of the penicillin familly & a couple of others.

I've had 2 proper anaphylactic shocks. First New Years Day 3 years back, was recovering from pleurisy & felt a chest infection starting. Went to the hospital to get amoxicillin which I'd taken a couple of months before. Mum went with to visit a friend int he hospital. Waiting for her to come back I took the first tablets, by the time she came back I was dizzy, flushed, really feeling ill. Got her to go get a doctor (same one who gave me the tablets) he thought I'd a sudden drop in blood pressure, but it wasn't coming back up. Off down the corridor to A&E ina  wheelchair, was there 5 minutes & I was on a trolley, surrounded by docs & nurses, last I remember before passing out was 'Adrenalin injection, quick!!' 'I'll go get one' 'No time use the emergency epipen!!' - having known a few anaphlactics I knew what was up - and though it might be my number. Woke up later feeling fine but they keep you in for a night.

If it had been a week later I was a gonner - I'd have got my prescription, taken the tablets at home, felt ill, went to bed, passed out & goodbye.

Just over a year later I got an infection in my elbow. Clarithromyacin was the only antibiotic tablet my doc would risk with me, but it's pretty useless at that type of infection. The infection was growing so I was sent to hospital. The doc I first saw there admitted he hadn'ty a clue what to give me, so called the bio-meds dept in Glasgow, they recommended Vancamyacin which is only given intravenously. 3 days of drips & it's not doing much, the infection isn't growing, but it isn't going down either. Another doc comes in and gives me a drip of Clindamycin, nearly the full bag in, another shock. This time the full face selling, struggling to breathe one. Epipens shoot a needle into your thigh, you don't feel it though, your system is going nuts. After that I was back on a really high Vancamycin dose, which worked.

I've since been for tests, found a couple that might have been OK, but my peak flow test dropped after a small dose & they stopped the tests. The doc actually brought groups through to show them test results, apparently to develop anaphlaxis so suddenly, and violently & to be allergic to such a spectrum is really rare.

So that's me - got 3 minorly effective antibiotics that I can risk. Spoke to the local ambulanceman & he's guaranteed that with 2 epipens (they relieve symptoms for about 30 minutes, but it's just a delay), they can get me either to the hospital (30 miles away), or to more emergeny epipens, he's been very reassuring that I'm covered. I don't gamble with cheese or bread that is getting a bit old in case pencillin develops, thankfully that's all that has set me off so far.




Wow!

It's shocking how close you can come to the old wooden overcoat in such a short time.

It's also a good example of the mess we'll all be in when antibiotics become ineffective.



Science Wife finds this all very interesting biologically, she does sometimes have to be reminded that she shouldn't be on the bacteria's side though Cheesy

The only point she wanted to make was about, " ...I don't gamble with cheese or bread that is getting a bit old in case pencillin develops..."; the fungus that grows is Penicillium, it only produces penicillin when it's defending itself against bacteria (and bacteria don't usually eat 'dead' things like bread or cheese) - so it's not a terrible idea to avoid mouldy food but it would be unlikely that you'd find any penicillin on it.

Primarily she wanted to point out that the fungus is Penicillium and that's not the same thing as pencillin.
(Some people might already know this but at the very least it's new science for Red-Dog to learn Smiley )
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« Reply #32275 on: December 28, 2019, 10:14:49 AM »



No man-flu, just a bad cold. Problem is being anaphlactic to antibiotics I need to be careful that it doesn't become a chest infection. There's only one tablet I can have (ie no rection so far) but generally me on antibiotics makes everyone nervous, so not powering through a cold is sensible for me, the hospitals struggle enough without having to find me a bed just so I can get drip fed different antibiotics.


I think everything from a snotty nose to pneumonia counts as man-flu Rod.

Being allergic to antibiotics is a bit of a bugger but tell me this, is it just your mouth that's allergic? Can you have the same drug intravenously that you react to orally?





No it's the antibiotic. Anything of the penicillin familly & a couple of others.

I've had 2 proper anaphylactic shocks. First New Years Day 3 years back, was recovering from pleurisy & felt a chest infection starting. Went to the hospital to get amoxicillin which I'd taken a couple of months before. Mum went with to visit a friend int he hospital. Waiting for her to come back I took the first tablets, by the time she came back I was dizzy, flushed, really feeling ill. Got her to go get a doctor (same one who gave me the tablets) he thought I'd a sudden drop in blood pressure, but it wasn't coming back up. Off down the corridor to A&E ina  wheelchair, was there 5 minutes & I was on a trolley, surrounded by docs & nurses, last I remember before passing out was 'Adrenalin injection, quick!!' 'I'll go get one' 'No time use the emergency epipen!!' - having known a few anaphlactics I knew what was up - and though it might be my number. Woke up later feeling fine but they keep you in for a night.

If it had been a week later I was a gonner - I'd have got my prescription, taken the tablets at home, felt ill, went to bed, passed out & goodbye.

Just over a year later I got an infection in my elbow. Clarithromyacin was the only antibiotic tablet my doc would risk with me, but it's pretty useless at that type of infection. The infection was growing so I was sent to hospital. The doc I first saw there admitted he hadn'ty a clue what to give me, so called the bio-meds dept in Glasgow, they recommended Vancamyacin which is only given intravenously. 3 days of drips & it's not doing much, the infection isn't growing, but it isn't going down either. Another doc comes in and gives me a drip of Clindamycin, nearly the full bag in, another shock. This time the full face selling, struggling to breathe one. Epipens shoot a needle into your thigh, you don't feel it though, your system is going nuts. After that I was back on a really high Vancamycin dose, which worked.

I've since been for tests, found a couple that might have been OK, but my peak flow test dropped after a small dose & they stopped the tests. The doc actually brought groups through to show them test results, apparently to develop anaphlaxis so suddenly, and violently & to be allergic to such a spectrum is really rare.

So that's me - got 3 minorly effective antibiotics that I can risk. Spoke to the local ambulanceman & he's guaranteed that with 2 epipens (they relieve symptoms for about 30 minutes, but it's just a delay), they can get me either to the hospital (30 miles away), or to more emergeny epipens, he's been very reassuring that I'm covered. I don't gamble with cheese or bread that is getting a bit old in case pencillin develops, thankfully that's all that has set me off so far.




Wow!

It's shocking how close you can come to the old wooden overcoat in such a short time.

It's also a good example of the mess we'll all be in when antibiotics become ineffective.



Science Wife finds this all very interesting biologically, she does sometimes have to be reminded that she shouldn't be on the bacteria's side though Cheesy

The only point she wanted to make was about, " ...I don't gamble with cheese or bread that is getting a bit old in case pencillin develops..."; the fungus that grows is Penicillium, it only produces penicillin when it's defending itself against bacteria (and bacteria don't usually eat 'dead' things like bread or cheese) - so it's not a terrible idea to avoid mouldy food but it would be unlikely that you'd find any penicillin on it.

Primarily she wanted to point out that the fungus is Penicillium and that's not the same thing as pencillin.
(Some people might already know this but at the very least it's new science for Red-Dog to learn Smiley )

Thanks for that, I'm still not risking it Wink but it is a bit reassuring that a cheeseboard isn't a real danger Cheesy
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« Reply #32276 on: December 28, 2019, 11:48:33 AM »



Primarily she wanted to point out that the fungus is Penicillium and that's not the same thing as pencillin.
(Some people might already know this but at the very least it's new science for Red-Dog to learn Smiley )


Thanks SW, Ill get straight on it.


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« Reply #32277 on: December 28, 2019, 01:05:25 PM »

Flu is a this time of year thing
now I’m 61 I’m on my second flu jab
I also eat 3-5 mini oranges a day for vitamin c ,a multi vitamin tablet and cod liver oil max strength to try n boost my immune system
A few glasses of port occ fortified with a shot of brandy to help me sleep - purely medicinal
Max strength cold n flu capsules merely delayed the symptoms,although lemsip with honey in was nice
Keep the diary going Tom please it’s a great read
Although we could do with an index to the top ten stories
Ratner the terrier story is my favourite btw
Thanks for them all though
Happy new year when it arrives


You're the same age as me Tony.

I was going great guns, then I turned 60 and things started to hurt and several bits stopped working altogether.

I wish my diary had an index too. I was looking for a piece that I wrote about my dad and I couldn't find it.

Please keep your contributions coming. You and I are from the same era and obviously moved in similar circles.

Merry Christmas and all the best for the future.

Sorry for butting in Red but did you write the piece on your dad in the lounge? I seem to remember you did when he passed.




I found the piece I was looking for. It rambles on over a few pages.



http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=30601.msg884547#msg884547
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« Reply #32278 on: December 28, 2019, 04:29:27 PM »

What a great story Tom. Beautifully written. I've got lot of spare time in January I'm going to read your diary from start to finish.
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« Reply #32279 on: December 28, 2019, 05:33:46 PM »

What a great story Tom. Beautifully written. I've got lot of spare time in January I'm going to read your diary from start to finish.


I've started re-reading it myself eng. Of course the stories are embedded in my memory but the minutiae is interesting after all these years.
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