Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

[AndrewT]

I feel like I want to write something about the little boy who was tortured and beaten to death, but I can't do it.

I can't even watch the news reports.

It's too distressing to put into words that do it justice I think.

Look at the photo on this report http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7726103.stm and weep.

Yeah - it's so far removed from what most of us would consider a human to be capable of doing that there are few reference points for us to get a handle on what happened - it's just beyond comprehension.

[Acidmouse]

Really sad this, also the  Shannon Matthews case is another one where I despair, unfortunately my wife's chambers are defending the Mum as guilty as they come me thinks.

[cdw1111]

    Has there ever been a case a lawyer wouldn't take on,these two cases are distressing however over history even more heinous crimes have had been defended by teams of legal professionals i.e the nazis at Nurembourg,serial killers etc.On a smaller scale,i was on jury service and saw a defense barrister's obvious glee at getting a petty criminal "off"on a police technicality.Is it just a big game to them,i understand that many lawyer's have stopped massive miscarrages of justice and i applauld them for it,but if your defending someone who you know is guillty how do you sleep at night if they are equited?

[Acidmouse]

Well most of the time the defence will try and get them to plead guilty and get a reduced sentance, they get more money if they plead. But for huge cases like this its good to defend them in terms of press coverage and notarietary for the chambers.

[cdw1111]

  I take your point about getting the accused to plead and therefore avoid lengthy,costly and distressing trials,but why would a firm want to be known as the place to come to if your a child abuser,rapist,murderer is it for the challenge of the trial or the vast amount of money to be made from high profile cases.I hope this isn't coming across as an attack on your missus acidmouse i'am just genuinily intrested.By the way that cat is freaking me out.
  Mr Red Dog how about a vegas story to cheer us up,please.

[Acidmouse]

I am not too sure why they take the cases beyond the fact it generates huge interest in the chambers, resulting in more clients. If a barrister has a reputation for large media cases its great for them.

Also the motives to defend pedo's and other such vile people I dunno, the majority of the time if someones guilty and proved to be so in court they will go down for it and be sentanced occordingly. Are they not entilted to a fair defense?

The other side of the argument is poorly defended clients going down for crimes they didnt or might not have commited and there defense was so poorly put together justice was not done.

[AndrewT]

I am not too sure why they take the cases beyond the fact it generates huge interest in the chambers, resulting in more clients. If a barrister has a reputation for large media cases its great for them.

Also the motives to defend pedo's and other such vile people I dunno, the majority of the time if someones guilty and proved to be so in court they will go down for it and be sentanced occordingly. Are they not entilted to a fair defense?

The other side of the argument is poorly defended clients going down for crimes they didnt or might not have commited and there defense was so poorly put together justice was not done.

Remember they're not actually guilty of anything till the end of the trial - until then the lawyers are just defending someone who has been accused of something.

And that cat is beginning to freak me out as well.

[Acidmouse]

I am not too sure why they take the cases beyond the fact it generates huge interest in the chambers, resulting in more clients. If a barrister has a reputation for large media cases its great for them.

Also the motives to defend pedo's and other such vile people I dunno, the majority of the time if someones guilty and proved to be so in court they will go down for it and be sentanced occordingly. Are they not entilted to a fair defense?

The other side of the argument is poorly defended clients going down for crimes they didnt or might not have commited and there defense was so poorly put together justice was not done.

Remember they're not actually guilty of anything till the end of the trial - until then the lawyers are just defending someone who has been accused of something.

Yep innocent until proven not the other way around, easy to forget in cases involving kids etc...we all look for scapegoats.

[boldie]

That cat is inspired!

[RED-DOG]

GUKPT main event. Key hands.

My first table is fairly soft, mostly cautious, feeling a bit out of their depth qualifier types, in a big game for the first time, one lady who cashed in the £150, and two "Players" One I recognised but can't remember his name, the other was John Eames.

I watch the table for a couple of orbits without getting involved, Eams is very busy, raising most pots from any position, and I notice that a couple of the qualifier types are prone to be stubborn when they've caught some of the flop.

Blinds 25/50. I make it 350 from mid position with AA, one of the qualifiers flats. Flop comes 10 J Q two hearts (I have no hearts). I hate this flop. I consider betting if a heart pops, but I don't think he's given any thought to what I might be holding anyway, so I I decide to check call unless it gets silly.

I check the flop, he checks behind, The turn is a rag, I check, he bets 500, I call. The river is another rag, I check, he bets 1000, I call and he shows A K. I might consider passing for the 1000, but he is the type to think that AQ or KQ is ahead.

A few hands later, blinds 50/100 utg limps on my bb, 4 others follow suit, including, surprisingly, John Eams. I have QQ, I don't want to mess about and give Eams value to see a flop here so I bet 1000. The utg limper insta-shoves, everyone passes and he shows his aces.

I call a few raises and see a few flops with suited connectors and small pairs, but don't connect, I'm down to about 7k. I get moved.


My new table is a whole new ball game. Seat 1 is Lawrance Gosney and he has about 35,000 chips. Seat 2 is that gigantic scouser with the bald head. (Jimmy?) Seat 3 a Irish tag. Seat 4 is nervous and trigger happy. Seat 5 is Ian Woodley, also with big chips. Seat 6 is me. Seat 7 is a Scandie, and seat 8 is a bloke wearing a Full Tilt shirt, Full Tilt cap and shades who only plays KK or AA, (Which he seems to get every other hand)

Gosney is raising every hand. Twice in one orbit he gets back raised and calls, betting the raiser off on the flop. I like this table, I  have a good chance to double up on here. I'm waiting for a hand to catch Lawrence, and so is Ian Woodley.

Blinds 150/300. I have AK on the bb. Gosney makes his usual 850 raise and Woodley calls. I make it 2k more, Gosney calls, Woodley passes. The flop comes 9 8 5 and I push all in, Lawrence passes and, amazingly, flashes a 9 as he does so.

I'm back to my starting stack, but don't find a hand or a spot for the rest of the level.

The table is broken and when I take my new seat I find that I am back with John Emes. This time I'm 3 to his left. Like me he's fairly short (about 7k) and he pushes most unopened pots. This suits me fine.

Blinds are 200/400, I have AA in the bb. I'm waiting for Eams to push, but someone else raises to 1200 before he gets the chance. I'm down to just over 6000 chips, I give it some Hollywood and flat it.

The flop comes 8 9 3. I try to look disappointed and eventually check, he moves all in and I call. I hate it when he shows 10 J, bu my aces hold and I double up.

I go totally card dead for the rest of the level and all of the next one. Eams is still pushing almost every unraised pot but by now he is getting snapped off quite often so his stack isn't growing.  I manage to steal 2 or 3 pots, but then I get caught with my fingers in the till and have to pass.

By the time the blinds reach 400/800 I am down to about 7k again. It gets folded around Eams who pushes yet again, it's my bb.

I have JQc and decide to take a stand, I call. Unfortunately, he has AQ and I'm dominated. No help from the board and I'm out.

Overall, I'm happy with my game, it's just been one of those weeks.

Thanks very much to the stakers, I'm sorry I couldn't get you a result.   


 

[action man]

ul tom. Dont like calling your stack away with JQ here. John will be aware that he will be getting called light here and your hand is dominated by a load of his shoving range here. Much better to get your 9bb stack in first imo.

Off to pride park tommorow, Derby vs sheff wednesday. Up The Owls

[RED-DOG]

ul tom. Dont like calling your stack away with JQ here. John will be aware that he will be getting called light here and your hand is dominated by a load of his shoving range here. Much better to get your 9bb stack in first imo


Normally I would agree, but in this instance I was just never going to find an unraised pot to push into because he did it first every time. His shoving range was any two.

I thought my chances of being in front of him were better than my being in front of any caller if I shove with any two. (Does that make sense?)

[action man]

my thoughts are that everytime john pushes his range will be getting a little bit tighter unless he is in late position, due to the increased liklihood that he will be called soon enough after so many pushes. In your shoes i prefer to push any two because i imagine your image was tight/solid due to having no playable hands, and whilst you are finding spots to push there is always a chance you can pick up a big hand facing a raise. I wouldnt say your call stinks of desperation however there is a sense of frustration there i feel, being card dead for a while. Ul mate, another day another dollar and all that.

[RED-DOG]

It's difficult to ascribe a range, (especially an ever tightening one) to a player who pushes at every opportunity, but I take your point.
























Now fuck off.

[Acidmouse]

Now fuck off.

ban imo