Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

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What would be deer killing distance for a medieval archer Rod? Would he be reasonably certain at 100yds?

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Have you seen the air guns Mr Dog ?

This is a gold medal winning set up.

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I know, but for some reason I don't object to all the technology on the guns, it just seems wrong on the bows.

[Kev B]

Some great archery photos there Rod and wow at the distance and angle required to hit the target let alone judging the pull back, not sure if that's the correct teckie term. I've done archery on activity hols many times with Joo and the boys and absolutely loved it.

Watching it right now actually.

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In Hunters of the Lost World the Jahai people use blow pipes to hunt, the programme said they could hit a can of coke placed at one end of an Olympic pool whilst standing at the other.

[TightEnd]

Now I never knew this!

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2009/10/result-would-be-catastrophe.html

[Rod Paradise]

Some great archery photos there Rod and wow at the distance and angle required to hit the target let alone judging the pull back, not sure if that's the correct teckie term. I've done archery on activity hols many times with Joo and the boys and absolutely loved it.

Watching it right now actually.

When I did it you pretty much tried for your maximum draw length every time - the point being to have the arrow leave at the same speed - you then adjusted angle for distance. I drew to the face, ie my fingers touched the corner of my jawbone. Others will draw to the ear, and some archery methods use a kisser - an attachment that goes on the string and draws back till you kiss it - slows the string though.

Re Red's question on deer shooting - the bows are powerful enough that if you can hit it - you can kill it. Modern usage medieval bows are usually up to 60 pounds draw weight, and have an effective range of 180-200 yards - but the accuracy to kill a deer? Even the good shots would want to be within 40-50 I'd reckon.

In Medieval times? Did some googling to confirm my thinking -  Bows from the Mary Rose have been estimated at 100-185 pounds of draw. Henry VIII declared minimum practice distance 220 yards. A professional archer shooting for distance with a flight arrow could shoot 400 yards. War shooting was more amount of arrows than accuracy, but an archer would be expected to hit a man at 180 yards, and hit an army at up to 300. If you could kill a man you could kill a deer - so 180 odd yards I'd guess.

remember they found archers skeletons on the Mary Rose with deformed shoulders from the buildup of muscle from the shooting of these massive bows - that's why the gun overtook the bow even when it was inferior in range, rate of fire and accuracy. It takes a few minutes to teach someone to shoot - but they could be taught - medieval archers were raised as archers.

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In Hunters of the Lost World the Jahai people use blow pipes to hunt, the programme said they could hit a can of coke placed at one end of an Olympic pool whilst standing at the other.

That's amazing Manny.

Back in the 90's I spent some time with the Cherokee indians. They made blowpipe darts from splinters of hardwood with animal fur for flights.

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I love to see those ancient hunting techniques. Some of those guys have to be Olympic standard just to get their dinner.

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Some great archery photos there Rod and wow at the distance and angle required to hit the target let alone judging the pull back, not sure if that's the correct teckie term. I've done archery on activity hols many times with Joo and the boys and absolutely loved it.

Watching it right now actually.

When I did it you pretty much tried for your maximum draw length every time - the point being to have the arrow leave at the same speed - you then adjusted angle for distance. I drew to the face, ie my fingers touched the corner of my jawbone. Others will draw to the ear, and some archery methods use a kisser - an attachment that goes on the string and draws back till you kiss it - slows the string though.

Re Red's question on deer shooting - the bows are powerful enough that if you can hit it - you can kill it. Modern usage medieval bows are usually up to 60 pounds draw weight, and have an effective range of 180-200 yards - but the accuracy to kill a deer? Even the good shots would want to be within 40-50 I'd reckon.

In Medieval times? Did some googling to confirm my thinking -  Bows from the Mary Rose have been estimated at 100-185 pounds of draw. Henry VIII declared minimum practice distance 220 yards. A professional archer shooting for distance with a flight arrow could shoot 400 yards. War shooting was more amount of arrows than accuracy, but an archer would be expected to hit a man at 180 yards, and hit an army at up to 300. If you could kill a man you could kill a deer - so 180 odd yards I'd guess.

remember they found archers skeletons on the Mary Rose with deformed shoulders from the buildup of muscle from the shooting of these massive bows - that's why the gun overtook the bow even when it was inferior in range, rate of fire and accuracy. It takes a few minutes to teach someone to shoot - but they could be taught - medieval archers were raised as archers.

Cracking stuff Rod. You're interested in some really interesting things.

[Laxie]

HOLY CRAP!!!  Just saw a report on Sky news that's to do with this case...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/father-carlina-white-carl-tyson-communicates-daughter-day/story?id=12866965#.UBeuLaMoPft

I'll never forget how frightened I was when Brian and Sinéad were born in New York hospitals after that.  I never let them out of my sight and I wasn't the only mother who felt that way after this case.

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Now I never knew this!

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2009/10/result-would-be-catastrophe.html

The mind boggles Rich.

[Rod Paradise]

Some great archery photos there Rod and wow at the distance and angle required to hit the target let alone judging the pull back, not sure if that's the correct teckie term. I've done archery on activity hols many times with Joo and the boys and absolutely loved it.

Watching it right now actually.

When I did it you pretty much tried for your maximum draw length every time - the point being to have the arrow leave at the same speed - you then adjusted angle for distance. I drew to the face, ie my fingers touched the corner of my jawbone. Others will draw to the ear, and some archery methods use a kisser - an attachment that goes on the string and draws back till you kiss it - slows the string though.

Re Red's question on deer shooting - the bows are powerful enough that if you can hit it - you can kill it. Modern usage medieval bows are usually up to 60 pounds draw weight, and have an effective range of 180-200 yards - but the accuracy to kill a deer? Even the good shots would want to be within 40-50 I'd reckon.

In Medieval times? Did some googling to confirm my thinking -  Bows from the Mary Rose have been estimated at 100-185 pounds of draw. Henry VIII declared minimum practice distance 220 yards. A professional archer shooting for distance with a flight arrow could shoot 400 yards. War shooting was more amount of arrows than accuracy, but an archer would be expected to hit a man at 180 yards, and hit an army at up to 300. If you could kill a man you could kill a deer - so 180 odd yards I'd guess.

remember they found archers skeletons on the Mary Rose with deformed shoulders from the buildup of muscle from the shooting of these massive bows - that's why the gun overtook the bow even when it was inferior in range, rate of fire and accuracy. It takes a few minutes to teach someone to shoot - but they could be taught - medieval archers were raised as archers.

Cracking stuff Rod. You're interested in some really interesting things.

It's great fun & I'm a big kid. Getting into the mongol style bows now, thumbring draw, chance to aim (you have to loose as soon as you reach full draw with a medieval bow, otherwise the wood starts to settle - meaning the shot has less power and is unreliable for distance). Just shooting a modern materials (wiid and fibreglass laminate) 40 pound draw replica at the moment - need to get the shoulder muscles back & build up the finger callouses, before heading up to the 60lb and above.

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HOLY CRAP!!!  Just saw a report on Sky news that's to do with this case...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/father-carlina-white-carl-tyson-communicates-daughter-day/story?id=12866965#.UBeuLaMoPft

I'll never forget how frightened I was when Brian and Sinéad were born in New York hospitals after that.  I never let them out of my sight and I wasn't the only mother who felt that way after this case.

OMG Dawn, what a story. How good was the artists impression of what she might look like?

I wonder what she thinks about the 'mother' who raised her?

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Some great archery photos there Rod and wow at the distance and angle required to hit the target let alone judging the pull back, not sure if that's the correct teckie term. I've done archery on activity hols many times with Joo and the boys and absolutely loved it.

Watching it right now actually.

When I did it you pretty much tried for your maximum draw length every time - the point being to have the arrow leave at the same speed - you then adjusted angle for distance. I drew to the face, ie my fingers touched the corner of my jawbone. Others will draw to the ear, and some archery methods use a kisser - an attachment that goes on the string and draws back till you kiss it - slows the string though.

Re Red's question on deer shooting - the bows are powerful enough that if you can hit it - you can kill it. Modern usage medieval bows are usually up to 60 pounds draw weight, and have an effective range of 180-200 yards - but the accuracy to kill a deer? Even the good shots would want to be within 40-50 I'd reckon.

In Medieval times? Did some googling to confirm my thinking -  Bows from the Mary Rose have been estimated at 100-185 pounds of draw. Henry VIII declared minimum practice distance 220 yards. A professional archer shooting for distance with a flight arrow could shoot 400 yards. War shooting was more amount of arrows than accuracy, but an archer would be expected to hit a man at 180 yards, and hit an army at up to 300. If you could kill a man you could kill a deer - so 180 odd yards I'd guess.

remember they found archers skeletons on the Mary Rose with deformed shoulders from the buildup of muscle from the shooting of these massive bows - that's why the gun overtook the bow even when it was inferior in range, rate of fire and accuracy. It takes a few minutes to teach someone to shoot - but they could be taught - medieval archers were raised as archers.

Cracking stuff Rod. You're interested in some really interesting things.

It's great fun & I'm a big kid. Getting into the mongol style bows now, thumbring draw, chance to aim (you have to loose as soon as you reach full draw with a medieval bow, otherwise the wood starts to settle - meaning the shot has less power and is unreliable for distance). Just shooting a modern materials (wiid and fibreglass laminate) 40 pound draw replica at the moment - need to get the shoulder muscles back & build up the finger callouses, before heading up to the 60lb and above.

I made a crossbow when I was a kid. it was really crude, especially the trigger mechanism, but it would have killed a deer (Or a man) no problem.

[Laxie]

HOLY CRAP!!!  Just saw a report on Sky news that's to do with this case...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/father-carlina-white-carl-tyson-communicates-daughter-day/story?id=12866965#.UBeuLaMoPft

I'll never forget how frightened I was when Brian and Sinéad were born in New York hospitals after that.  I never let them out of my sight and I wasn't the only mother who felt that way after this case.

OMG Dawn, what a story. How good was the artists impression of what she might look like?

I wonder what she thinks about the 'mother' who raised her?

The artist was amazing.  She's not too impressed with the woman who raised her and had been doubting for some time she was even related to that family.

Been watching loads of related interviews with the past half hour.  Apparently she's had a falling out with her birth parents since their reunion regarding money they won in the court case against the hospital.  Her parents got $750k and were to put half in a trust fund until her 21st birthday.  They did that, but it seems they also spent the lot the minute her birthday came and went with no sign of her.  A couple of years too late and now what should be a joyous event, is going to be cloudy and tense.  Such a pity.

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HOLY CRAP!!!  Just saw a report on Sky news that's to do with this case...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/father-carlina-white-carl-tyson-communicates-daughter-day/story?id=12866965#.UBeuLaMoPft

I'll never forget how frightened I was when Brian and Sinéad were born in New York hospitals after that.  I never let them out of my sight and I wasn't the only mother who felt that way after this case.

OMG Dawn, what a story. How good was the artists impression of what she might look like?

I wonder what she thinks about the 'mother' who raised her?

The artist was amazing.  She's not too impressed with the woman who raised her and had been doubting for some time she was even related to that family.

Been watching loads of related interviews with the past half hour.  Apparently she's had a falling out with her birth parents since their reunion regarding money they won in the court case against the hospital.  Her parents got $750k and were to put half in a trust fund until her 21st birthday.  They did that, but it seems they also spent the lot the minute her birthday came and went with no sign of her.  A couple of years too late and now what should be a joyous event, is going to be cloudy and tense.  Such a pity.

What a shame that greed should rear it's ugly head.

Difficult to blame the birth parents for spending the money after 21 years.