Vagueness and the Aftermath - A sporadic diary

[tikay]

What is your view on this, Tom?


http://alphapet.co.uk/please-dont-throw-sticks-for-dogs-2/

It's never really been an issue for me.

Most people throw things for their dogs to fetch because it's an easy way to exercise them but unless it's very well controlled, chasing that stick, ball or whatever very soon becomes an all consuming obsession.

How often have you seen a dog that should be enjoying his walk or his surroundings totally preoccupied with persuading its owner to throw the ball again?

I rarely throw things for my dogs to fetch and if I do it's on my terms. I decide when the game starts and when it ends, what should be used and what happens to it afterwards. You've seen Kizzy and me play with a toy, when I say "That's it, we're finished" she stops and loses all interest in the object.

I'm not saying there in anything inherently wrong with fetch games, but if you're not careful, your dog will want to do that to the exclusion of everything else.

Take drug dogs as an example. The the one and only reason they search for drugs is to get that ball. For them it's an all consuming, life ruling passion. Well fair enough, they're happy and they do a good job but personally, I don't like it.

That's an interesting diversion.

I was watching one of those dreadful "Airport" TV Shows recently.

The sniffer dogs handlers had a ball, which they first showed to the dog, & then, the handler made contact with each suitcase with the ball. I was wondering why that was, but you've answered that mystery for me now.

That just leaves life's other 3 zillion mysteries to solve, such as why my willy shrivels up when I'm cold, but does the complete opposite in cold water.

[Rod Paradise]

If they ever run out of mineral reserves, the hole can be used for landfill, charge a Local Authority X per ton, or cubic yard, to dump domestic waste in the hole. It's the perfect business model, get paid for the material in it originally, then get paid to allow it to be used for waste disposal. Then, when it's full, add topsoil, and methane extraction plant, and sell the land for development.


Not so often these days Tony .modern landfill will produce methane for 40+ years and as the landfill breaks down differential settlement occurs creating problems for building devolpments ,it's more likely to be used for livestock grazing / country type parks
There's a lot of earth works that has to go into lining a quarry to make it gas / watertight these days for a general landfill regulations are much tougher !
Shallow workings are more likely to be used for inert waste / soil / builders waste
A lot of companies are getting out of landfill and into recycling now due to the landfill tax
Older landfill sites from pre 1970 s which contain mainly ash fill as people burnt waste in solid fuel fires ars slightly better ,but modern landfill sites can have horrendous pollution problems
Terminal 5 Heathrow for example is built on old landfills most of which involved the excavation of the landfill and redistribution of the contents ,most of which were shallow 5 m or less in that area having been gravel extracted first  ! A high water table doesn't help either !

An opencast near me is being turned into an 'energy park' as it gets towards the end of it's life. The deep water tanks are being turned into a hydro-electric scheme & a windfarm being built. Obviously they're not as deep as a quarry, since the pay layer is only a few feet thick.

[tikay]

If they ever run out of mineral reserves, the hole can be used for landfill, charge a Local Authority X per ton, or cubic yard, to dump domestic waste in the hole. It's the perfect business model, get paid for the material in it originally, then get paid to allow it to be used for waste disposal. Then, when it's full, add topsoil, and methane extraction plant, and sell the land for development.


Not so often these days Tony .modern landfill will produce methane for 40+ years and as the landfill breaks down differential settlement occurs creating problems for building devolpments ,it's more likely to be used for livestock grazing / country type parks
There's a lot of earth works that has to go into lining a quarry to make it gas / watertight these days for a general landfill regulations are much tougher !
Shallow workings are more likely to be used for inert waste / soil / builders waste
A lot of companies are getting out of landfill and into recycling now due to the landfill tax
Older landfill sites from pre 1970 s which contain mainly ash fill as people burnt waste in solid fuel fires ars slightly better ,but modern landfill sites can have horrendous pollution problems
Terminal 5 Heathrow for example is built on old landfills most of which involved the excavation of the landfill and redistribution of the contents ,most of which were shallow 5 m or less in that area having been gravel extracted first  ! A high water table doesn't help either !

An opencast near me is being turned into an 'energy park' as it gets towards the end of it's life. The deep water tanks are being turned into a hydro-electric scheme & a windfarm being built. Obviously they're not as deep as a quarry, since the pay layer is only a few feet thick.

That's the expression I had forgotten - "pay layer".

With coal, it's often very shallow, hence we have or had opencast mines, which were such an eyesore.

Limestone is almost always in much deeper layers, hence those lovely quarry holes.

I did a lot of CE work at a "mine" in Derbyshire, near Wirksworth, it was a really odd one, as it was actually a hill, or small mountain, & Croxton & Garry, the owners, had sort of hollowed out the hill to extract the limestone.

The place was huge, with internal roads big enough for two tonker trucks to pass in opposite directions. It had two entrance/exits, one in Hopton, one in Middleton, & it was a 3 mile drive "under the hill" from one to the other, & in total, the mine had 27 miles of road in it.

For scale, here's some photos from inside it.

[tikay]

The mine was organically inert, & we were not permitted to take any food inside, in case food droppings encouraged animal life. All vehicles had to have an exhaust scrubber.

It has a weird thing, too, the temperature never varied by more than a fraction of a degree.

When the mine was exhausted, it was sublet to British Aerospace, who stored sensitive (to temperature change) aircraft components in there.

I'd best stop now. Mine geek checking out.   

[tonytats]

Limestone workings such as those at ketton cement are near Stamford open cast quarries and no problems
Underground mines around Birmingham - Dudley area I believe if memory is correct are a nightmare for the councils as the mines were exhausted the miners robbed the supporting columns as they pulled out causing sink holes to appear in  later years .by then the mine owners were long dead n gone and  the mines had to be extensively investigated by the local council using boreholes andcctv then grouted - a mix of pfa pulverised fly ash n cement or just plain sand and cement !
It was almost a licence to print money for drilling and grouting contractors
But if you owned a 2 acre site with caverns beneath you didn't want to pay to grout up 10-110? Acres of adjoining caverns
So a curtain wall had to be installed by bhs and concrete columns to contain your site all a bit of a nightmare


https://www.bclm.co.uk/learning/dudley-canal-tunnel-and-limestone-mines/1468.htm

[atdc21]

What is your view on this, Tom?


http://alphapet.co.uk/please-dont-throw-sticks-for-dogs-2/

It's never really been an issue for me.

Most people throw things for their dogs to fetch because it's an easy way to exercise them but unless it's very well controlled, chasing that stick, ball or whatever very soon becomes an all consuming obsession.

How often have you seen a dog that should be enjoying his walk or his surroundings totally preoccupied with persuading its owner to throw the ball again?

I rarely throw things for my dogs to fetch and if I do it's on my terms. I decide when the game starts and when it ends, what should be used and what happens to it afterwards. You've seen Kizzy and me play with a toy, when I say "That's it, we're finished" she stops and loses all interest in the object.

I'm not saying there in anything inherently wrong with fetch games, but if you're not careful, your dog will want to do that to the exclusion of everything else.

Take drug dogs as an example. The the one and only reason they search for drugs is to get that ball. For them it's an all consuming, life ruling passion. Well fair enough, they're happy and they do a good job but personally, I don't like it.

That's an interesting diversion.

I was watching one of those dreadful "Airport" TV Shows recently.

The sniffer dogs handlers had a ball, which they first showed to the dog, & then, the handler made contact with each suitcase with the ball. I was wondering why that was, but you've answered that mystery for me now.

That just leaves life's other 3 zillion mysteries to solve, such as why my willy shrivels up when I'm cold, but does the complete opposite in cold water.

[tonytats]

http://www.georisk-uk.com/case2.htm

Similar collapse of mine workings recently occurred at Hatfield from old chalk mines
Norwich has similar problems

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earlham_Road

[RedFox]

What is your view on this, Tom?


http://alphapet.co.uk/please-dont-throw-sticks-for-dogs-2/

It's never really been an issue for me.

Most people throw things for their dogs to fetch because it's an easy way to exercise them but unless it's very well controlled, chasing that stick, ball or whatever very soon becomes an all consuming obsession.

How often have you seen a dog that should be enjoying his walk or his surroundings totally preoccupied with persuading its owner to throw the ball again?

I rarely throw things for my dogs to fetch and if I do it's on my terms. I decide when the game starts and when it ends, what should be used and what happens to it afterwards. You've seen Kizzy and me play with a toy, when I say "That's it, we're finished" she stops and loses all interest in the object.

I'm not saying there in anything inherently wrong with fetch games, but if you're not careful, your dog will want to do that to the exclusion of everything else.

Take drug dogs as an example. The the one and only reason they search for drugs is to get that ball. For them it's an all consuming, life ruling passion. Well fair enough, they're happy and they do a good job but personally, I don't like it.

The stick incident has been discussed on Radio2 Jeremy Vine show and all kinds of bad things reported.

We have a dalmation, Dylan, who isnt interested in retrieving but a working cocker spaniel, Maisie, who loves to retrieve and I only use a sturdy tennis ball as I had heard of the stick issues a few years ago.

As you say Tom dogs that love to retrieve can become obsessive and it does spoil a good walk for all of us when we walk with the ball for her so its only taken occasionally.

I did attempt the 'game over' rule with her as a puppy but obviously didnt do it properly as she will not take no for an answer now and jumps around when the ball is put in pocket.

Just back from a lovely walk with them - fine cold sunny day here in south notts - along part of the Grantham canal where they amble along - cocker doing her cocker thing and the dalmation well he just looks imperious and cant be arsed with all the sniffing his little mate does.

Finally into a meadow where Dylan gallops around and Maisie romping around after him - then both calming down and eating horse shit kindly left by the fields two inhabitants.

Ive read some of your dog tips on here before Tom from yourself and others - they are always good reading and informative - maybe a thread for dog owners and other pets?

Id love to start but think we need an expert to kick it off 

[RED-DOG]

I just went to the supermarket and found that I didn't have a coin for the trolley so I asked an old lady if she had change for a fiver. She pressed a pound in to my hand and waved the fiver away. When I protested she said "No, I insist, but please, when you get the opportunity, pass it on". Then she smiled and walked away.

It made my day.

[RED-DOG]

What is your view on this, Tom?


http://alphapet.co.uk/please-dont-throw-sticks-for-dogs-2/

It's never really been an issue for me.

Most people throw things for their dogs to fetch because it's an easy way to exercise them but unless it's very well controlled, chasing that stick, ball or whatever very soon becomes an all consuming obsession.

How often have you seen a dog that should be enjoying his walk or his surroundings totally preoccupied with persuading its owner to throw the ball again?

I rarely throw things for my dogs to fetch and if I do it's on my terms. I decide when the game starts and when it ends, what should be used and what happens to it afterwards. You've seen Kizzy and me play with a toy, when I say "That's it, we're finished" she stops and loses all interest in the object.

I'm not saying there in anything inherently wrong with fetch games, but if you're not careful, your dog will want to do that to the exclusion of everything else.

Take drug dogs as an example. The the one and only reason they search for drugs is to get that ball. For them it's an all consuming, life ruling passion. Well fair enough, they're happy and they do a good job but personally, I don't like it.

The stick incident has been discussed on Radio2 Jeremy Vine show and all kinds of bad things reported.

We have a dalmation, Dylan, who isnt interested in retrieving but a working cocker spaniel, Maisie, who loves to retrieve and I only use a sturdy tennis ball as I had heard of the stick issues a few years ago.

As you say Tom dogs that love to retrieve can become obsessive and it does spoil a good walk for all of us when we walk with the ball for her so its only taken occasionally.

I did attempt the 'game over' rule with her as a puppy but obviously didnt do it properly as she will not take no for an answer now and jumps around when the ball is put in pocket.

Just back from a lovely walk with them - fine cold sunny day here in south notts - along part of the Grantham canal where they amble along - cocker doing her cocker thing and the dalmation well he just looks imperious and cant be arsed with all the sniffing his little mate does.

Finally into a meadow where Dylan gallops around and Maisie romping around after him - then both calming down and eating horse shit kindly left by the fields two inhabitants.

Ive read some of your dog tips on here before Tom from yourself and others - they are always good reading and informative - maybe a thread for dog owners and other pets?

Id love to start but think we need an expert to kick it off 

Nice post Foxy.

Personally, instead of worrying about the one one in a million dogs that gets damaged by fetching a stick, I think they could concentrate on advising responsible dog ownership, which includes making sure you don't contribute to the thousands of unwanted puppies that are born every year.

I propose they bring back dog licences at a cost of £100, but this would include a voucher for free spaying/neutering and micro-chipping.

Dog and pet stuff is more than welcome on this thread.

[EvilPie]

Nice post Foxy.

Personally, instead of worrying about the one one in a million dogs that gets damaged by fetching a stick, I think they could concentrate on advising responsible dog ownership, which includes making sure you don't contribute to the thousands of unwanted puppies that are born every year.

I propose they bring back dog licences at a cost of £100, but this would include a voucher for free spaying/neutering and micro-chipping.

Dog and pet stuff is more than welcome on this thread.

Make it £200 and include a 6 week training class as well. There's loads of laws regarding dog ownership and it's amazing how few dog owners have any knowledge of them whatsoever. Anybody who owns a dog should have to know these laws and they should also have an idea of how to recall their dog. A dog that isn't under control is breaking the law simple as that.

Actually let's make it £250 and include a lifetime supply of crap bags as well.

[Karabiner]

What is your view on this, Tom?


http://alphapet.co.uk/please-dont-throw-sticks-for-dogs-2/

It's never really been an issue for me.

Most people throw things for their dogs to fetch because it's an easy way to exercise them but unless it's very well controlled, chasing that stick, ball or whatever very soon becomes an all consuming obsession.

How often have you seen a dog that should be enjoying his walk or his surroundings totally preoccupied with persuading its owner to throw the ball again?

I rarely throw things for my dogs to fetch and if I do it's on my terms. I decide when the game starts and when it ends, what should be used and what happens to it afterwards. You've seen Kizzy and me play with a toy, when I say "That's it, we're finished" she stops and loses all interest in the object.

I'm not saying there in anything inherently wrong with fetch games, but if you're not careful, your dog will want to do that to the exclusion of everything else.

Take drug dogs as an example. The the one and only reason they search for drugs is to get that ball. For them it's an all consuming, life ruling passion. Well fair enough, they're happy and they do a good job but personally, I don't like it.

That's an interesting diversion.

I was watching one of those dreadful "Airport" TV Shows recently.

The sniffer dogs handlers had a ball, which they first showed to the dog, & then, the handler made contact with each suitcase with the ball. I was wondering why that was, but you've answered that mystery for me now.

That just leaves life's other 3 zillion mysteries to solve, such as why my willy shrivels up when I'm cold, but does the complete opposite in cold water.

I think his nibs' privates' predelection for cold water warrants an entry in the "Too Much Information" thread.

[atdc21]

Hi Karabiner,
                 Got to admit that was what i was attempting to do when i posted, but my computer skills are not great.

[Karabiner]

Hi Karabiner,
                 Got to admit that was what i was attempting to do when i posted, but my computer skills are not great.

Ha! You're talking to the wrong bloke as I'm a confirmed techno-dunce.

Probably best that we let sleeping willies lie.

[tikay]

Ha, worth it just to see an expression I have not seen for years, "his nibs".