wot do u think is the correct play?

[AlexMartin]

dont we shove aa and kk here a lot too...i know it screams of AK, but thats not all villain should be concerned about.

[I KNOW IT]

dont we shove aa and kk here a lot too...i know it screams of AK, but thats not all villain should be concerned about.

Most players here would rarely shove such a big overraise with AA or KK . I think they would rather try and extract as many chips as possible with these holdings. Give him a chance to hang himself It does happen but its far more unlikely imo.

[EvilPie]

dont we shove aa and kk here a lot too...i know it screams of AK, but thats not all villain should be concerned about.

This is why it's such a beautiful game. You shove with ak wanting everyone to fold, you shove with aa wanting them to call. Unfortunately whichever reason you've shoved for you just know that the other guy's going to do exactly the opposite of what you want.

Shoving with AA / KK here would be good IMO. I'd be happy to take this nice sized pot but would also willingly take any callers money with a big smile on my face. If I shove with ak I'm panicking as the action is on every player hoping that they will fold just in case they've got me beat.

I much prefer the raise like I said previously to around 40k. I know that maybe gives decent pot odds to the limpers but it's still an extra 32k on top of what they've put in which would make a big difference to anyone's stack. You're telling the CL that you're serious here and that if he's not got a hand he'd best stay out of your way.  

If he pushes then just fold. It might sound silly but you've only got ace high! It's a good starting hand but it doesn't half need to hit to become anything other than trash!!

Against a smaller stack then yes of course you want to be all in. But in this situation you're second and have presumably worked hard to get there. Why blow the lot on ace high when there are likely to be many more opportunities that present themselves.

Another thing - I'll bet if you'd flat called one of the original limpers would have won the hand by pairing that queen or hitting a set. You might have even ended up chip leader yourself if the previous CL doubled someone up.

I'm not saying that I would flat call but at least if you hit no one's going to know it. Also if you miss you've got away cheap. Just another possible thought for people to analyse shoot down in flames  

[Royal Flush]

Another thing - I'll bet if you'd flat called one of the original limpers would have won the hand by pairing that queen or hitting a set. You might have even ended up chip leader yourself if the previous CL doubled someone up.

Silly me i didn't think of that, flat call, lose some chips but become CL, that's where i have been going wrong all these years! There was me thinking the idea was to win all the chips!

[I KNOW IT]

Another thing - I'll bet if you'd flat called one of the original limpers would have won the hand by pairing that queen or hitting a set. You might have even ended up chip leader yourself if the previous CL doubled someone up.

Silly me i didn't think of that, flat call, lose some chips but become CL, that's where i have been going wrong all these years! There was me thinking the idea was to win all the chips!

[boldie]

Another thing - I'll bet if you'd flat called one of the original limpers would have won the hand by pairing that queen or hitting a set. You might have even ended up chip leader yourself if the previous CL doubled someone up.

Silly me i didn't think of that, flat call, lose some chips but become CL, that's where i have been going wrong all these years! There was me thinking the idea was to win all the chips!

lol

[EvilPie]

Another thing - I'll bet if you'd flat called one of the original limpers would have won the hand by pairing that queen or hitting a set. You might have even ended up chip leader yourself if the previous CL doubled someone up.

Silly me i didn't think of that, flat call, lose some chips but become CL, that's where i have been going wrong all these years! There was me thinking the idea was to win all the chips!

 

It was just another thought to put on the table. I did say in an earlier post that I would NEVER flat call here.

My preferred opion is definitely the raise to 40k. Don't know what I'd do if he called though especially if he shoved as soon as he saw the flop. You've got to put yourself behind at that stage and you've just lost 1/3 of your stack to a possible bluff.

What was your preferred option Flushy?? The shove or the raise??

[Royal Flush]

Don't know what I'd do if he called though especially if he shoved as soon as he saw the flop.

It's difficult to act out of turn online

[I KNOW IT]

Don't know what I'd do if he called though especially if he shoved as soon as he saw the flop.

It's difficult to act out of turn online

Stop it FFS

[EvilPie]

Don't know what I'd do if he called though especially if he shoved as soon as he saw the flop.

It's difficult to act out of turn online

My bad. It's been that long since this thread started I forgot the positions. Couldn't have picked a worse person to make that mistake with 

So anyway Mr Flush..........

I genuinely value your opinion on this and I'm keen to learn what other people would do.

So what's your preferred option with AK in this situation. You don't seem to be a weak player from previous posts so I assume it's not fold or call? Would you see the all in as being weaker than a substantial raise or do you think that just invites the over the top all in?

Also with your playing style (assumed) would you want to raise to get rid of the limpers but call any all in. Maybe you would want to invite the all in with a raise with the intention being to instacall?

Would you want to push and maybe get rid of everybody. You might see the push as a missed opportunity to get more chips if they all fold.

Sorry if you're bored after 13000 posts but I'm just interested in what you think.

I wait patiently for your reply 

[AlexMartin]

Evil, dont take what Flushy says as a knock, he can appear a bit obnoxious but he's a nice fella. Your posts obviously show a lack of good strategic grounding, but hang around and the great RoyalFlush might let you in on the goodies.

[NoflopsHomer]

Raise to 40k, snap-call shove.

[Royal Flush]

Yeah the hand itself i am not a big fan of shoving as it does look like AK, i prefer the pot sized re-raise and call a shove.

[EvilPie]

Evil, dont take what Flushy says as a knock, he can appear a bit obnoxious but he's a nice fella. Your posts obviously show a lack of good strategic grounding, but hang around and the great RoyalFlush might let you in on the goodies.

I'm sure he is. Don't worry I don't take anything to heart when it's posted on a forum.

Yeah my strategy's not quite perfect yet. I've only been playing for about 5 months so I tend to play the tight patient game rather than get too creative. I keep putting the odd move in here and there though and it's getting better.

When I make a suggestion here it doesn't necessarily mean it's what I would do it's just an option that I'm interested to hear people's opinion of. I'm really not that bad...... honest

Anyway Mr Flush. Do you ever get your great self down to DTD? I'm there every Friday and the odd Sunday so let me know and we can have a beer before the tournament.

Cheers

PS. Sorry for the minor thread jack

[Royal Flush]

Evil, dont take what Flushy says as a knock, he can appear a bit obnoxious but he's a nice fella. Your posts obviously show a lack of good strategic grounding, but hang around and the great RoyalFlush might let you in on the goodies.

I'm sure he is. Don't worry I don't take anything to heart when it's posted on a forum.

Yeah my strategy's not quite perfect yet. I've only been playing for about 5 months so I tend to play the tight patient game rather than get too creative. I keep putting the odd move in here and there though and it's getting better.

When I make a suggestion here it doesn't necessarily mean it's what I would do it's just an option that I'm interested to hear people's opinion of. I'm really not that bad...... honest

Anyway Mr Flush. Do you ever get your great self down to DTD? I'm there every Friday and the odd Sunday so let me know and we can have a beer before the tournament.

Cheers

PS. Sorry for the minor thread jack

Only been once for the opening £500, might sneak up soon though for a 3-2-1 thingy