Advice Required

[celtic]

$25 donkament. Blinds 2500 - 5000. Me 112k. 13 left. i raise on the button with  .

Small blind (130k) calls. BB folds.

Flop    .

SB Pushes for 115k.

Seems quite competent, we had words the previous evening online and felt he was attacking my blinds and raises more than once. ANyway, call or fold?

[GlasgowBandit]

what did u raise it to?
Is SB stack before or after the raise?

I'd personally prefer to be shoving than calling ...... wait till I toss a coin best of 5 wins.

[celtic]

some good questions there!!!!

i raised to 15k so there is 35k in the pot.

SB 1st to act and shoves ( he has me covered)

[AlexMartin]

snap call

[doubleup]

Its pretty marginal - you are about a 40% against him if his range is any broadway.  What is the average chip stack?  What is the payout in the comp?

[boldie]

fold for me.

[celtic]

Its pretty marginal - you are about a 40% against him if his range is any broadway.  What is the average chip stack?  What is the payout in the comp?

Average was around 70k. 1st prize was $4800

[DaveShoelace]

The shove to me says he most likely has one pair (possibly one pair with a straight draw Q-T, J-T etc etc). Though I guess I could see why a set shoves here, I'd expect KK-JJ to be repoping it pre as would a better ace. I think AT reraises you pre if you are button raising, and I think the same hand check raises you or otherwise tries to get more action than just shoving. So Im going KT, QT, JT is most likely.

Your a dog to all (60/40) of these and an even bigger dog to a better hand, plus if he is a competant player as you say then he would never shove shuch an action flop with a bluff/small pair. Its an instant fold to me. However, I would have loved to have shoved on this guy before he did on me, because all of a sudden he has to throw some massive looking hands away.

[AlexMartin]

seriously WTF are u lot on? We have 12 clean outs with a possible additional 3 that might be live. So lets give us 13 for fun. Its a donkement with a top heavy payout structure and obv we play to win and occasionally that means calling with a big draw in a marginal spot. 100k to win 135k giving us near perfect odds against most reasonable ranges (not including any pure bluffs/ bare 10c etc). Seriously, stove this and tell me im wrong.

[Royal Flush]

seriously WTF are u lot on? We have 12 clean outs with a possible additional 3 that might be live. So lets give us 13 for fun. Its a donkement with a top heavy payout structure and obv we play to win and occasionally that means calling with a big draw in a marginal spot. 100k to win 135k giving us near perfect odds against most reasonable ranges (not including any pure bluffs/ bare 10c etc). Seriously, stove this and tell me im wrong.

Yeah i called about 4 days ago, but then i don't have this super duper edge in MTT's that the blonde PHA posters do!

I don't know a MTT pro that would pass here.

[Horneris]

I call. You gotta Gamble in sick good spots like this in this game.

And calling here has to be hugely +ev long term given payouts in almost every mtt.

[booder]

seriously WTF are u lot on? We have 12 clean outs with a possible additional 3 that might be live. So lets give us 13 for fun. Its a donkement with a top heavy payout structure and obv we play to win and occasionally that means calling with a big draw in a marginal spot. 100k to win 135k giving us near perfect odds against most reasonable ranges (not including any pure bluffs/ bare 10c etc). Seriously, stove this and tell me im wrong.

12?

[PocketLady]

I call, but I guess it depends on your attitude.  Do you want to win the tournament or do you want to hang on and climb up the money a few spots.

[TightEnd]

you can't pass, you know you're a dog and need to hit but its so huge, you win the comp likely if you pull it off

[doubleup]

I don't know a MTT pro that would pass here.

Maybe thats why they are always broke.