Ugh, very well played sir. Throws up.

[doubleup]

Posted by: boldie

Not saying you're wrong..but calling doesn't mean you're in control of the situation..the jam means he is.

His jam can be seen as him asking whether you are going to submit to him controlling the situation, not that he's got control just yet. There are only 5 better starting hands than yours so calling puts you firmly back in control of the situation most of the time. People would snap-call FTW here if it was HU. Trying to ladder 3-handed can often lead to later all-ins with worse than this.

Mantis - if you want to improve your poker, I suggest you think about money a bit more.

[Dewi_cool]

Push ftw

[LeKnave]

I call in this spot probs.  Usual players will jam 22+ and QJ+ in this spot i'd imagine.

i know its not the question, but anyone consider the push pre on the button here?

Never, you're giving him the option to fold a tonne of hands that would re-jam you that you have crushed.  If you open jam he would probs fold 22-66, hands that are likely to jam on you if you make a standard open.

[doubleup]

Usual players will jam ..... QJ+ in this spot i'd imagine.

I think the problem is that it might be a fold even if you were certain villain had overcards

[boldie]

Usual players will jam ..... QJ+ in this spot i'd imagine.

I think the problem is that it might be a fold even if you were certain villain had overcards

That's my thinking here as well. Like I said, I could very well be wrong folding here but I don't see how we are in control of the situation when we have to call for our entire stack.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Lol, Alex is clearly the villain this hand.

[GlasgowBandit]

Anyone limping pre rather than standard open raise?

As played I make the hero call, thinking that the villain is shoving with any 2 and trying to use the shortie as leverage hoping the middle stack can fold.

[action man]

Last 3 of $50 mtt. Payouts $650, $1100, $2000 ish.

Hero has 46k (D)
Villain has 50k
Shorty has 14k. (BB)


Blinds at 1k/2k

Hero raises 7k w 99. Villain shoves. Considering how short shorty is, is this a clear fold always? Villain appeared better than most, with an idea of how to play and deffo capable of situational moves.

if im open raising with this hand in this situation i am calling 100% of the time because i would figure the villain to be shoving a whole load here (metagame or whetever its called plus you only have 20 odd bb so opening to fold is not in my M.O. Get it called

[boldie]

Lol, Alex is clearly the villain this hand.

true..he probably shoved with his 2-5 off and is stunned at the call

[boldie]

Anyone limping pre rather than standard open raise?

limping with a view to re-shoving the flop if someone raises? just limping is awful here.

[action man]

Posted by: boldie

Not saying you're wrong..but calling doesn't mean you're in control of the situation..the jam means he is.

His jam can be seen as him asking whether you are going to submit to him controlling the situation, not that he's got control just yet. There are only 5 better starting hands than yours so calling puts you firmly back in control of the situation most of the time. People would snap-call FTW here if it was HU. Trying to ladder 3-handed can often lead to later all-ins with worse than this.

Mantis - if you want to improve your poker, I suggest you think about money a bit more.

bit harsh imo. i think mantis has it spot on, but all these different views makes poker teh winnah!

[Royal Flush]

Posted by: boldie

Not saying you're wrong..but calling doesn't mean you're in control of the situation..the jam means he is.

His jam can be seen as him asking whether you are going to submit to him controlling the situation, not that he's got control just yet. There are only 5 better starting hands than yours so calling puts you firmly back in control of the situation most of the time. People would snap-call FTW here if it was HU. Trying to ladder 3-handed can often lead to later all-ins with worse than this.

Mantis - if you want to improve your poker, I suggest you think about money a bit more.

bit harsh imo. i think mantis has it spot on, but all these different views makes poker teh winnah!

Yeah he came to the right conclusion but my word he managed to spout some utter crap in his reasoning!

Submitting to controlling the situation??!? wtf calling puts you back in control wtf???

[action man]

gl in bristol mate!

[doubleup]

Posted by: boldie

Not saying you're wrong..but calling doesn't mean you're in control of the situation..the jam means he is.

His jam can be seen as him asking whether you are going to submit to him controlling the situation, not that he's got control just yet. There are only 5 better starting hands than yours so calling puts you firmly back in control of the situation most of the time. People would snap-call FTW here if it was HU. Trying to ladder 3-handed can often lead to later all-ins with worse than this.

Mantis - if you want to improve your poker, I suggest you think about money a bit more.

bit harsh imo. i think mantis has it spot on, but all these different views makes poker teh winnah!

Yeah he came to the right conclusion but my word he managed to spout some utter crap in his reasoning!

Submitting to controlling the situation??!? wtf calling puts you back in control wtf???

So would you call if you knew villain had AK?  I think this is a mistake (but I'm the only one who has attempted any calcs so I'm happy to admit that I might be wrong)

[action man]

dunno if i still call if i know he has AK, in a bigger tourney with bigger $ gaps then i fold, but my main point is hero knows that the villain is shoving a whole load here, so should raise to call or open fold