How good is AA at omaha?

[EvilPie]

I've been having a discussion with a friend about the value of AA in your omaha starting hand.

My thoughts are that given the opportunity you should try to get heads up and have all the chips in pre flop but I just wondered what others thought.

I don't like playing AA because it doesn't play too well after the flop but if I see a raise and a couple of calls am I correct to bet the pot and try to get as much in as possible.

I've ran it as a calc and I can't find any hand that's ahead of AA xx rainbow apart from the other AA with connected cards and even then the tie is 70%. Against hands like 5678 ds we are about 54%.

From what I can see worst case is being 54% 46% favourite so you have to shovel as much in as possible to try to make sure you get heads up.

Any ideas??

[AndrewT]

Every game of Omaha I ever play ends like this.

a) Get dealt AAxx
b) Flop top set
c) Get money all in on flop
d) Lose

[EvilPie]

Every game of Omaha I ever play ends like this.

a) Get dealt AAxx
b) Flop top set
c) Get money all in on flop
d) Lose

That's my point. You don't want to see a flop because it's a poor drawing hand. You want to be heads up then you're always a favourite. Hence shovel more and more money in. If people fold then fine but as long as we end up against 1 oppo then it's ok.

Or is it?

[jakally]

I read somewhere (or was told) that playing AA v.strong (i.e. reraise PF) is best if you can get at least 40% of your stack in the middle - in other words when you are pot committed.

If you are very deep then it is too easy to give away you have AA and make it easier for your opponents to play post flop.

AAxx, where the 'xx' are not particularly helpful can be a hand that plays well in the same way that AK plays well in holdem.

[Jon MW]

I read somewhere (or was told) that playing AA v.strong (i.e. reraise PF) is best if you can get at least 40% of your stack in the middle - in other words when you are pot committed.

If you are very deep then it is too easy to give away you have AA and make it easier for your opponents to play post flop.

AAxx, where the 'xx' are not particularly helpful can be a hand that plays well in the same way that AK plays well in holdem.

I was trying to work it out, but I think this sums it up.

I'd play AAxx as a stop and go in Omaha, if I know I can shove all in on the flop then I'd push it as hard as I could pre flop.

If there's a chance that I'd have to fold post flop then I'd just treat it much like any other pocket pair.

[NoflopsHomer]

Short stack = limp for re-raise or re-raise. Generally once you get over 1/3 in preflop you're not folding.

Deep stack = raise like any other hand but c/fold most flops unless you flop a set or a solid draw (n-flush draw plus aces is only a 2/1 dog vs a set and never usually behind vs any other hand)

If you're playing super-laggy people beging to re-raise you more with KKxx and QQxx and rundowns which you can usually jam vs. Flatting raises with aces is good also when deepish, especially crappy aces like which have no other discernible value. Only re-raise deep with them if you're re-raising with rundowns, good double-suited hands and quality big pair hands like K-K-Q-J as well.

[dino1980]

According to Ferguson in teh Full Tilt book:

    49.3% vs 50.7% 

  49.6% vs 50.4% 

[EvilPie]

According to Ferguson in teh Full Tilt book:

    49.3% vs 50.7% 

  49.6% vs 50.4% 

Just ran this through a calc and it says exactly the same.

That's sorted it I'm never playing aces again!!!!!! 

[EvilPie]

Deep stack = raise like any other hand but c/fold most flops unless you flop a set or a solid draw (n-flush draw plus aces is only a 2/1 dog vs a set and never usually behind vs any other hand)

What if you keep getting reraised? Do we want to be all in if we get the chance?

[Rupert]

I don't really play omaha but I think if you're deep (cash game rather than tournament) you can open fold bad AAs pre if you're OOP.  I watched a video on cardrunners where the dude open folded AA94 no suits UTG at 6 max.  Think about it, it makes sense

[Royal Flush]

I don't really play omaha but I think if you're deep (cash game rather than tournament) you can open fold bad AAs pre if you're OOP.  I watched a video on cardrunners where the dude open folded AA94 no suits UTG at 6 max.  Think about it, it makes sense

 

[Grier78]

 I am not an Omaha expert but I believe in omaha =  in holdem,  is probably more like  in holdem i.e. you need to at least hit your set to stand a chance of winning.

[maldini32]

just lost a 2k pot wit aces so they're awesome.

Omaha experts i think i may have played the hand a tad on the gay side...analyze sil vous plait..6 max 2.5/5 i have  . im on the btn and have a stack of 620 utg limps..utg+1 raises to 15 next guy calls i pt it...everyone calls flop is  sb who is the onle guy who has me covered pots it 2 other guys go all in...should i have called? i had like 3o secs to decide

[Rupert]

I don't really play omaha but I think if you're deep (cash game rather than tournament) you can open fold bad AAs pre if you're OOP.  I watched a video on cardrunners where the dude open folded AA94 no suits UTG at 6 max.  Think about it, it makes sense

 

is it bad?

[EvilPie]

just lost a 2k pot wit aces so they're awesome.

Omaha experts i think i may have played the hand a tad on the gay side...analyze sil vous plait..6 max 2.5/5 i have  . im on the btn and have a stack of 620 utg limps..utg+1 raises to 15 next guy calls i pt it...everyone calls flop is  sb who is the onle guy who has me covered pots it 2 other guys go all in...should i have called? i had like 3o secs to decide

Yes.

Can't be bothered to work out exactly what's in the pot but it looks like you're getting more than 3 to 1 on your money so instacall and save 29.5 seconds.

I'd be interested to know what everyone else has to put so much money in? KK, JJ and 77 maybe or some kind of monster wrap, 8 9 10 Q with 2 spades? Can't think of much else I'd be jamming with here.