analyse this!

[EvilPie]

To those who check the turn what do you think your oppo has?

K10 / KJ. Looks to me like he had some kind of weak draw on the flop then hit his king. Possibly even 10h.

Thinking about it I don't really like the check but then again I'm not too keen on the bet either. I wouldn't feel deep enough to bet half of what I had left giving him the possibility of flatting.

I probably just chuck the lot in here especially as I'm sat with a rebuy as backup.

[Graham C]

To those who check the turn what do you think your oppo has?

Qx...

I suppose solid player would fold Qx, goes the argument for betting/shoving

Got to be a good x to justify calling pre no?  KQ maybe?  QJ, I wouldn't expect any lower.

[TightEnd]

sure, but the call on the button by a "weak" player prices the bb in to calling wider, and then keep the pot small with his Qx

[Royal Flush]

So its a good chance he has Qx, he flats the flop thinking he probably has the best hand, either we have him beat or hold AK/AJ small PP.

Now the turn comes a K, he checks, if we fire here what is more likely we have AK/AQ AA-QQ or AJ/77?

If i am oppo in this hand i give up as the only thing i can beat is a total bluff or what you have, and even then it appears most check behind so looks like you must have it!

[MANTIS01]

One possibility is that he has Q-x. The chips tell us he put 10% of his starting stack in pre, and when he calls on the flop he has put 1/4 of all his chips into this pot. Also the player is solid.

Calling 10% in the first place means he prob has a pair or high cards. He deffo has a playable hand and it's not some Q-rag type holding. He can easily have a set right now and would play it as is. He can easily have 10-J and again play it the same way. If he has high cards he's all over this board. I think the stacks are too shallow for him to be floating with a small pair or some random air. So out of all the hands he could have we may get a weak Q to fold (but his Q is never going to be very weak), and if that's not the case we are putting ourselves in a position where we may have to call all-in with A high on the turn, and I don't think that's a good place to be. Taking a free card here is ok imo.

[Royal Flush]

One possibility is that he has Q-x. The chips tell us he put 10% of his starting stack in pre, and when he calls on the flop he has put 1/4 of all his chips into this pot. Also the player is solid.

Calling 10% in the first place means he prob has a pair or high cards. He deffo has a playable hand and it's not some Q-rag type holding. He can easily have a set right now and would play it as is. He can easily have 10-J and again play it the same way. If he has high cards he's all over this board. I think the stacks are too shallow for him to be floating with a small pair or some random air. So out of all the hands he could have we may get a weak Q to fold (but his Q is never going to be very weak), and if that's not the case we are putting ourselves in a position where we may have to call all-in with A high on the turn, and I don't think that's a good place to be. Taking a free card here is ok imo.

Only set he can have is 33.

He flats any hand here oop for 300 more i don't really give him much credit for any kind of hand, especially if he is not check raising the flop.

Think we need the 'solid' description further quantified!

[TightEnd]

Player in the big blind is Simon Galloway.

[MANTIS01]

Not played with this guy. Flushy is right that a better understanding of oppo is required cos I don't think solid players call a 400 raise oop for 10% of their stack with any hand. I think 9-9 can be included in oppo's range, unless we want to give him credit for playing perfectly.

[TheChipPrince]

Player in the big blind is Simon Galloway.

does he have a name on Blonde?

[TightEnd]

Simon Galloway is his name on here

Good player, solid rep, winning player in the comps such as the one this hand is in. Not spewy in the least, but a thinking player.

[Royal Flush]

Simon Galloway is his name on here

Levelled so hard!

[TightEnd]

 

to be fair, Qx is probably not what Simon has in this spot!

[Royal Flush]

Player in the big blind is Simon Galloway.

Still don't know much about his game.

I am going to shove here even more against a winning live player, they fold too much in general.

[TheChipPrince]

Simon Galloway is his name on here

Simon Galloway is his name on here

Levelled so hard!

 

[Simon Galloway]

Allow me...

I showed my hand on the end so some people already know the answer, but in keeping with OP my hand isn't relevant.  I'm happy to reveal it once all the mystery "he had Q4" posts dry up if it makes any difference.

I've already discussed with Claire how I would have played her hand, and it wasn't a results-orientated discussion.

Here's some extra titbits:

The opening raise was controversial/mis-declared and a row between Claire/table/dealer as to whether it was 400 or 500 to play.  Had it been 500 to play, I would have folded my hand. 

The button comes in, and that particular button is always value and nailed on to pay off a second best hand.

Claire has openly posted on here that she doesn't have much disposable income just now for poker. Last time I played with Claire she had a hard time of it, massively over-raising by mistake, walking into a couple of coolers.  Seems a fair swap to play the hand OOP against   That said, it wasn't an arrogant call, she can definitely play, as evidenced by her going on to chop it.  I expect her to have a polarised range (but that's the only bit of Flushy's analysis I happen to agree with ) and I don't think this is the top end of her range, by a fair margin.  I'm more likely to play this against someone who has the hand range they are meant to have, I want them to have a nice enough hand to go skint with.  I don't want to gamble against a mega-weak oppo because when I hit, they prob haven't got enough of a hand to pay me off.  One of those situations where I fold to a weak hand but call against a strong-ish hand, and the deeper it is, the more it applies.

I hit a flop.  I check-call.

I have the best hand on the turn without question, I crai.

Claire relaises she now has to put the rest of her chips in with 1 card to come.  And there aren't that many clean outs, but she hits one.  Whilst it continues my dismal form in all-in coups, I was at least happy for Claire that she had a stack to do something with.  I am not that benevolent to most of the Luton suck-out artists, but the chips went to a good home, sobeit.

Claire, I will happily expand on the conversation we had at the break with you if you would like, there was more to it, but it's not going on general release!) but suffice it to say on the forum that if I had been in her shoes, I would have taken the free card all day long.  When you have position, sometimes you should think about using it.  You have a hand that desperately wants to see a river card, yet if you bet small and get crai you want to throw up.  And if you bet so big that you throw up, but realise you now have to call, well, it doesn't make the call any better in my eyes.