analyse this!

[byronkincaid]

I expect her to have a polarised range and I don't think this is the top end of her range, by a fair margin.

can you explain this further please, you are saying she has a wide polarised range?

[Simon Galloway]

I expect her to have a polarised range and I don't think this is the top end of her range, by a fair margin.

can you explain this further please, you are saying she has a wide polarised range?

I don't think she has a wide range here.  Flushy has given her the full "well its the cut off bringing it in ffs" rangeand put AJ towards the top end.  But Claire wasn't punishing any limpers, has already indicated that she saw me as a solid bb, the blinds are tiny and I don't think the range is as wide as assumed.  Hence 'polarised range' not "wide polarised" range!

That said, I have seen Claire raise and re-raise with some kinky holdings, it's not a question of whether she is capable of having a wide range, but my read was that she didn't on this occasion.  And in a Peter Costa moment, I would have had  as my first guess whether my reasoning was valid or not, I had her hand pegged correctly, and my only grumble was that I didn't think Claire had given me due credit for having her hand in the world of hurt when the majority of the chips went in.  Had she taken advantage of her position and checked behind, I wouldn't have minded the outdraw on the end because imho she would have played the turn perfectly.  That said, other recognised players seem to be in favour of smashing it in, so perhaps that method has some merit, I'm just not in that camp.
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[Claw75]

thanks for all the replies everyone - it's been interesting.  The reason I put the hand up here is that I recounted it to Matt yesterday, explaining what had happened up until it was my turn to act on the turn, and, with no prompting from me, he said he'd 'bet about 1500'.  Having already discussed the hand with Simon on the night and him having explained to me why he thought the check behind would have been a better play I thought it would be helpful to throw it out there and see if there was a general concensus one way or the other.  It seems not, and that this may just be a matter of style.  That said, it seems pot control is something I need to work on, perhaps more pre-flop, and I've taken all the comments on board - thanks!

I wouldn't say the check raise on the turn made me want to 'throw up', incidentally, I still had outs and, perhaps more importantly, a rebuy behind. If it were a freezeout then maybe so

[Royal Flush]

AJh is at the top end of a C/O range i am afraid, unless the C/O is a complete nit

[Royal Flush]

I think flatting 300 oop with JT is a shed load worse than shoving the turn

[Simon Galloway]

AJh is at the top end of a C/O range i am afraid, unless the C/O is a complete nit

Why can't the cut off ever have a hand?  Why do they have to conform to random internet c/o range?  Or, perhaps, your c/o range?  Horses for courses.

[Simon Galloway]

I think flatting 300 oop with JT is a shed load worse than shoving the turn

I've given plenty of reasoning why I called with JT there, it wasn't playing poker with a recipe book, hmmm, JT, turn to page 27 to see the correct play.  And I also mentioned that it was on the demarcation line, I nearly did fold the hand. 

[MANTIS01]

Posted by: Royal Flush

He flats any hand here oop for 300 more

I think flatting 300 oop with JT is a shed load worse than shoving the turn

So he should be flatting any hand other than JT here?

[Royal Flush]

Why can't the cut off ever have a hand?  Why do they have to conform to random internet c/o range?  Or, perhaps, your c/o range?  Horses for courses.

The cut off can have a hand, like in this hand when she had AJ, i wasn't giving a 'random internet range' i was referring to Claire's range, last time i checked she was an aggressive player.

I've given plenty of reasoning why I called with JT there, it wasn't playing poker with a recipe book, hmmm, JT, turn to page 27 to see the correct play. 

So you did it because it was the incorrect play?

[Simon Galloway]

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I've given plenty of reasoning why I called with JT there, it wasn't playing poker with a recipe book, hmmm, JT, turn to page 27 to see the correct play. 

So you did it because it was the incorrect play?

You've got a very thick recipe book there if under the JT section there is enough material to include all the macro influences that went into making up the call.  I've given reasoning why on this occasion I didn't give Claire credit for the wide range of hands she could otherwise be playing, iow her hand range on this one isn't as wide as normal.  So if I can enter a pot and take the worst of it with 300 and take the best of it for 3k+ afterwards, I can live with it.

[Royal Flush]

Simon[/url] Galloway link=topic=36807.msg806196#msg806196 date=1221240848]
I've given plenty of reasoning why I called with JT there, it wasn't playing poker with a recipe book, hmmm, JT, turn to page 27 to see the correct play. 

So you did it because it was the incorrect play?

You've got a very thick recipe book there if under the JT section there is enough material to include all the macro influences that went into making up the call.  I've given reasoning why on this occasion I didn't give Claire credit for the wide range of hands she could otherwise be playing, iow her hand range on this one isn't as wide as normal.  So if I can enter a pot and take the worst of it with 300 and take the best of it for 3k+ afterwards, I can live with it.

So the times she doesnt have NFD+GS vs your nuts how do you play it.

Flop J72 for example

[Simon Galloway]

So its a good chance he has Qx, he flats the flop thinking he probably has the best hand, either we have him beat or hold AK/AJ small PP.

Now the turn comes a K, he checks, if we fire here what is more likely we have AK/AQ AA-QQ or AJ/77?

If i am oppo in this hand i give up as the only thing i can beat is a total bluff or what you have, and even then it appears most check behind so looks like you must have it!

Is that your suggestion?

[Simon Galloway]

I didn't finish...

I don't have a pre-conceived way to play the hand.

I might lead out and see how Claire reacts.

I might check it over to her and depending on read, c/r or fold.

I might check out and throw it straight in the muck.

I might check call and see what the turn brings.

OK, one of those is a lie and one of those is also highly unlikely.

[Royal Flush]

This is the problem of defending you BB with hands that do very bad against a LP raise

An aggressive player is going to raise from the C/O with every single hand that has you dominated. QT KT AT QJ KJ AJ, as well as TT JJ QQ KK AA, you are defending into 1300 pot with 3600 back, if you flop top pair what the fck do you do? Even when you flop a draw you toast chips.

Your not playing deep enough to call to flop a draw to play streets.

Instead of telling Claw she should check behind on the turn maybe the better idea would be to look at your own play and stop spewing pre!

[TightEnd]

Sigh. Turned out nice again. Might even see the sun tomorrow.