Check or Value Bet?

[daviebhoy]

I say we are beating K-Q, K-J, K-T, J-J, T-T - I expect all other hands will fold.

I would expect JJ or TT to re-raise in SB and fold when you re-raise the flop.

beating :

KQ, KJ, KT

mibbe beating (can't see these hands calling re-raise on flop) :

QQ, JJ, TT, 88, K8, K6, K5, K4

We are behind to :

99, 33, K9, K3

mibbe behind to (AA, KK re-raises pre and others prob don't call re-raise on flop) :

AA, KK, 77, 97s, K2, K7

Most of the hands we are beating fold to the push and the ones that call are often beating us. The only hand I imagine calling the push on the end is KQ really. Value bet looking for weak kings to call and fold to any re-shoves. Or just check it down.  This is the safest option against an unknown opponent IMO.

[bolt pp]

£55

I like this, but if he re-shoves then i sort of have to agree with daviebhoy about his range and we can probably fold.

If he re shoves we insta call ldo.

Waste of a tenner IMO

[Royal Flush]

I say we are beating K-Q, K-J, K-T, J-J, T-T - I expect all other hands will fold.

I would expect JJ or TT to re-raise in SB and fold when you re-raise the flop.

beating :

KQ, KJ, KT

mibbe beating (can't see these hands calling re-raise on flop) :

QQ, JJ, TT, 88, K8, K6, K5, K4

We are behind to :

99, 33, K9, K3

mibbe behind to (AA, KK re-raises pre and others prob don't call re-raise on flop) :

AA, KK, 77, 97s, K2, K7

Most of the hands we are beating fold to the push and the ones that call are often beating us. The only hand I imagine calling the push on the end is KQ really. Value bet looking for weak kings to call and fold to any re-shoves. Or just check it down.  This is the safest option against an unknown opponent IMO.

Please stop, all these better hands would have check jammed turn or jammed river, and people cannot be bad enough to just lead fold Kx QQ-TT etc on this flop.

[T_Mar]

Definately have to bet imo, looks like a hand he wants to get to showdown with so bet about 2/3 of the pot

[daviebhoy]

Please stop, all these better hands would have check jammed turn or jammed river, and people cannot be bad enough to just lead fold Kx QQ-TT etc on this flop.

Okay, so you have never seen anyone do any of these things before ? I apologise for not realising that every player does exactly the same thing. In that case the fact we have no info on our opponent doesn't matter as we can predict what he would have done based on how he should have played.

I agree KQ is likely but as stated originally I would be tempted to check here as I think the pot has become too big for the strength of the hand and we have far from the nuts.

[bolt pp]

Okay, so you have never seen anyone do any of these things before ? I apologise for not realising that every player does exactly the same thing. In that case the fact we have no info on our opponent doesn't matter as we can predict what he would have done based on how he should have played

please stop

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[bolt pp]

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best answer yet.

[RichEO]

He has £65 left. About £75 in the pot. Do I check, value bet a small amount or stick him in?

Is this a dead easy decision?

You are ahead almost all the time time here. Decision is, do you bet £64 or £65.

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[Royal Flush]

Please stop, all these better hands would have check jammed turn or jammed river, and people cannot be bad enough to just lead fold Kx QQ-TT etc on this flop.

Okay, so you have never seen anyone do any of these things before ? I apologise for not realising that every player does exactly the same thing. In that case the fact we have no info on our opponent doesn't matter as we can predict what he would have done based on how he should have played.

I agree KQ is likely but as stated originally I would be tempted to check here as I think the pot has become too big for the strength of the hand and we have far from the nuts.

There is a slim chance you are going to shove into a better hand, there is a massive chance you are going to shove into a worse hand.


Do you fold AA pre when someone shoves because you might get outdrawn?

That is the equivalent to checking here.

Forget about your actual hand strength, it's not about that its about relative hand strength.

[NoflopsHomer]

Forget about your actual hand strength, it's not about that its about relative hand strength.

Priceless advice imo.

[snoopy1239]

I shoved. He called. I won.