just need opinions

[noble1]

thx for reply bolt/alex etc etc, to be honest i have posted this on a few forums and mainly around 85% were for the all in flop?

i just cant see it myself as he has raised pre , made his CB , then when check raised he did not tank long to re-raise me back
and the way he sized it suggested to me he was strong,all i could think was that his range now was QQ JJ 22 AKcc or KTcc
and AA KK - 3 hands i'm buggered , KTcc i'm actually a slight dog , AKcc is actually not far behind [nearly a flip] so that leaves only AA and KK that i'm a good favourite [70%]

so given my read of the situation and that i had 143bb left, i opted for the fold...

[leedsfish]

where did you ebd up comming

[noble1]

142nd i had AA cracked by KK all in pre     never mind  lol

[totalise]

is this flop 3bet actually a bad size? the minimum we can make it is 1190, I cant see anything wrong with 1590 at all..is tournament poker just going to come down to who can min-raise other people into frustration/submission?

[noble1]

villain had QQ - he made a point of a show after i folded..........................
the guy has invested just over 1800 of his 5000 starting stack and there is still 2 cards to come,i took this as a pointer that he had a strong hand,my position did not help matters and it was beginning of tourny.

i still cannot see the logic in shoving the flop or if by calling flop i have to lead turn and if villain re-raises again which i thought at the time highly likely then folding was my best option.
I thought my check raise plus the flop texture made him give away the strength of his hand....

[AlexMartin]

villain had QQ - he made a point of a show after i folded..........................
the guy has invested just over 1800 of his 5000 starting stack and there is still 2 cards to come,i took this as a pointer that he had a strong hand,my position did not help matters and it was beginning of tourny.

i still cannot see the logic in shoving the flop or if by calling flop i have to lead turn and if villain re-raises again which i thought at the time highly likely then folding was my best option.
I thought my check raise plus the flop texture made him give away the strength of his hand....

dont be results orientated, without a sick read or knowing villain you shouldnt make a habit of big folds. given you have a Q and a J the likelihood of QQ or JJ goes down ridiculously. That combined with the clubs on the boards and the strength of big combodraws (which would be played fast normally) means folding is bad.

having said all that, you pieced together a puzzle well and made the right decision, so fk what i say tbh.

[GreekStein]

[  ] Villain showing must have tilted you really hard for not calling with your top two

[ X ] Still think this is a call

[noble1]

thx for replies guys,
was not being nitty  lol lol i have tried the C/R play oop with 2 pair on and off especially on flop textures like this and i found
i get more of an idea of what the villains in position on me could possibly have. [in a raised pot,early stages]

if i call his re-raise on the flop though,i'm not sure what sort of line to take if he re-raises again or ships it in..
what would be your plan on 4th street if you called villains re-raise?

[Royal Flush]

Please don't 'raise for info' EVER!!!

Please don't raise with top 2 on such a draw heavy board to then fold to a re-raise!

[tikay]

Please don't 'raise for info' EVER!!!

Please don't raise with top 2 on such a draw heavy board to then fold to a re-raise!

For those of us that don't understand that, (many in number), can you explain it, please, using little words?

In know it's a mantra of yours, adopted by the Upstarts generally now, (and may well be right) but I'm quite keen to hear the rationale.

TIA.

[George2Loose]

Please don't 'raise for info' EVER!!!

Please don't raise with top 2 on such a draw heavy board to then fold to a re-raise!

For those of us that don't understand that, (many in number), can you explain it, please, using little words?

In know it's a mantra of yours, adopted by the Upstarts generally now, (and may well be right) but I'm quite keen to hear the rationale.

TIA.

lol here we go again....

[LeKnave]

sigh

[tikay]

Please don't 'raise for info' EVER!!!

Please don't raise with top 2 on such a draw heavy board to then fold to a re-raise!

For those of us that don't understand that, (many in number), can you explain it, please, using little words?

In know it's a mantra of yours, adopted by the Upstarts generally now, (and may well be right) but I'm quite keen to hear the rationale.

TIA.

lol here we go again....

Seems a fair question to ask, for those of us that don't grasp the concept! I know, I'll get a volley of sighs & lols, but I might learn something, too.

Next I plan to ask how much a gay bet is, & what does "yo" mean. But one at a time.

[MANTIS01]

Please don't 'raise for info' EVER!!!

Please don't raise with top 2 on such a draw heavy board to then fold to a re-raise!

For those of us that don't understand that, (many in number), can you explain it, please, using little words?

In know it's a mantra of yours, adopted by the Upstarts generally now, (and may well be right) but I'm quite keen to hear the rationale.

TIA.

lol here we go again....

Seems a fair question to ask, for those of us that don't grasp the concept! I know, I'll get a volley of sighs & lols, but I might learn something, too.

Next I plan to ask how much a gay bet is, & what does "yo" mean. But one at a time.

I'm afraid James is wrong about this. I think it's something born out of the internet game. How someone reacts to a bet both physically and strategically gives you information, information that you wouldn't have if you didn't bet. But don't take my word for it cos Kin asked yoyo in the well if he bet for info and he said "i guess all bets are information, so yeah". End of really. I understand the concept but it has just melted into don't bet for info.

[noble1]

Please don't 'raise for info' EVER!!!

Please don't raise with top 2 on such a draw heavy board to then fold to a re-raise!

interesting stuff,so i should never fold? if you could expand on this as to why please..

did you pinch ''the do not raise for info'' off jimmy fricke? i did not raise for info,if you read the thread i raised because i thought i had the best hand till he re-raised back and i figured i was behind [but i folded 2 pair] which you seem to think was wrong but give no explanation as to why..