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« on: December 29, 2008, 05:17:58 PM »

not really too sure wot i want asking, just opinions on how we both played the hand really.
 

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$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, December 29, 04:42:27 ET 2008
Table Bribie (50 bb min) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: mrolli1000 ( $212.00 USD )
Seat 3: BigStick7th ( $184.00 USD )
Seat 6: Laglos ( $197.00 USD )
Seat 8: AgentChp109 ( $658.65 USD )
Seat 10: colddesert ( $241.20 USD )
AgentChp109 posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
colddesert posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AgentChp109 [  three clubs ]
mrolli1000 folds
BigStick7th folds
Laglos folds
AgentChp109 raises [$5.00 USD]
colddesert calls [$4.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ three diamonds, , ]
AgentChp109 bets [$6.00 USD]
colddesert calls [$6.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
AgentChp109 bets [$16.00 USD]
colddesert calls [$16.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ ]

wot u do now?

check/fold, check/call,  bet/call,  bet/fold
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2008, 05:41:23 PM »

I bet/fold assuming he isn't tricky, something around 1/2 pot. I would make it more pre as well but I suppose if he was a total fold bot, we can steal for cheaper.

Like flop and turn.

Reads are pretty key here.
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2008, 07:23:32 PM »

He could have an ace and still pay you off, so I bet half the pot and fold to a raise.
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2008, 10:08:34 PM »

two people say bet 1/2 the pot to fold which is exactly what half the pot looks like, a bet that you'll fold to a RR and if you've got that in mind when he re-shoves you start second guessing yourself, i like closer to 2/3 - 3/4 here.(if i'm feeling adventurous i might bet 4/5 but i didnt want to say that cos i couldnt work out if it was more or less than the fractions i posted)
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2008, 10:08:52 PM »

standard river bluff situation imo
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2008, 12:15:17 AM »

he could easy have A2 i would check
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2008, 12:16:13 AM »

then call
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2008, 12:22:31 AM »

check calling is the worst line you can take here.
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2008, 12:25:20 AM »

check calling is the worst line you can take here.

why? out of interest

the club on the river is a great bluffing card for the foe.

Equally a weakish bet on the river by hero with the set here can see you get pushed off by a raise here easily...

so check calling will often get you to showdown cheaper?
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2008, 12:31:15 AM »

check calling is the worst line you can take here.

why? out of interest

the club on the river is a great bluffing card for the foe.

Equally a weakish bet on the river by hero with the set here can see you get pushed off by a raise here easily...
so check calling will often get you to showdown cheaper?

this line i prefer also,although i think villain is floating but without reads is a tough one to value bet lead river oop,so check call seems the most logical play in this situation.
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2008, 12:40:29 AM »

check calling is the worst line you can take here.

why? out of interest

the club on the river is a great bluffing card for the foe.

Equally a weakish bet on the river by hero with the set here can see you get pushed off by a raise here easily...

so check calling will often get you to showdown cheaper?

The club on the river is a great bluffing card for the foe

which is why we bet, it takes away the oppoutunity for him to do so + we lose value not betting against Ax as he has showdown value and checks behind(the pots not really big enough for him to be thinking about turning Ax into a bluff here)



 
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2008, 12:45:24 AM »

check calling is the worst line you can take here.

why? out of interest

the club on the river is a great bluffing card for the foe.

Equally a weakish bet on the river by hero with the set here can see you get pushed off by a raise here easily...
so check calling will often get you to showdown cheaper?

this line i prefer also,althoughi think villain is floating but without reads is a tough one to value bet lead river oop,so check call seems the most logical play in this situation.

based on what?

it's a shothanded $1/2 game and we've got no info?
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2008, 12:54:36 AM »

check calling is the worst line you can take here.

why? out of interest

the club on the river is a great bluffing card for the foe.

Equally a weakish bet on the river by hero with the set here can see you get pushed off by a raise here easily...
so check calling will often get you to showdown cheaper?

this line i prefer also,althoughi think villain is floating but without reads is a tough one to value bet lead river oop,so check call seems the most logical play in this situation.

based on what?

it's a shothanded $1/2 game and we've got no info?

what are you basing a 3/4 bet on river on ??
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2008, 12:55:34 AM »

yeah, if we are bet/folding we are pretty much assuming that he calls when hes beat and he raises when hes beating us, so betting 3/4--> full pot makes more $$ the times we are ahead... and for us to actually bet in the first place, we have to assume that the frequency with which they call us with worse is >50%, so theres no really harm in betting more.

If we starting going down that road whereby "but he knows he can push us off the hand with a raise".. then we can bet and then call, but we dont have any reason to assume he will turn reasonable hands into bluffs

Check calling here is likely worse than check/folding because his valuebetting range is probably better than our c/c range, and hes not going to bluff that often... what hands does he get to the river with in this manner, that will bluff the river if we check? In general, better hands bet, showdown value hands check.. given the board texture, and the flop/turn action.

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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2008, 12:59:42 AM »

check calling is the worst line you can take here.

why? out of interest

the club on the river is a great bluffing card for the foe.

Equally a weakish bet on the river by hero with the set here can see you get pushed off by a raise here easily...
so check calling will often get you to showdown cheaper?

this line i prefer also,althoughi think villain is floating but without reads is a tough one to value bet lead river oop,so check call seems the most logical play in this situation.

based on what?

it's a shothanded $1/2 game and we've got no info?

what are you basing a 3/4 bet on river on ??

I thought i explained what i'm basing it on already?(if not read what totalise has just posted)

I'm just a bit confused as to how you can so specifically put him on 2 bricks here?

The idea he's floating supports your river line of c/calling but even if you were playing at the table you'd have to have a pretty specific read on the guy so it really isnt based on anything solid other than you sort of want it to be the case as it's the only hand he can have that would make the river c/call +ev.
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