The short-stack pushes....

[TightEnd]

Live MTT

8 left, seven are paid

325,000 chips in play

blinds 1,500-3,000 going 2-4,000 in 2 minutes

Button is short-stack 18,000

tight, passive, open limps a lot, hasn't pushed to date

Hero in SB with 45,000. Two big stacks on table, rest much of a muchness around 40-50k

So unopened the button pushes

Hero looks down at 

The BB is locked down and laddering, not going to get involved without a big hand

Are you taking the short-stack on here, in light of his playing style?

[GreekStein]

Is there an ante?

[TightEnd]

Is there an ante?

nope.

[Royal Flush]

Is he the kind of oppo who limps with QJ in this spot or does he have enough sense to know should be jamming QJ?

[GreekStein]

I think this is a much harder spot than if we were playing online in which case we would snap villains head off.

I would say call but your brief description of the button player has thrown me a little bit. Is he the sort of live donk who would limp the button with weaker aces and pairs etc/only shove with 1010+. If yes then fold and just keep pounding unraised pots as its your button next hand.

If you feel he will shove most hands that he should be shoving here then jam.

Basically this is a lot more read dependant imo than most decisions on here that are mostly mathematical.

[TightEnd]

Is he the kind of oppo who limps with QJ in this spot or does he have enough sense to know should be jamming QJ?

He has open limped a lot irrespective of position, raise frequency is low. I would say he wouldn't jam as wide as most would here.

Sitting on my direct right I have heard him turn round to his girlfriend and say "I could just get fifth that's £250 that would be ok wouldn't it?"

Then he pushes on the button next orbit round....

Whereas a usual pushing range here into the blinds  is Any ace, any pair, any two paint, maybe suited connectors, maybe any two...his pushing range here is a lot narrower than that

Hence the thread!

[gatso]

why is button at 18k? if he's been blinding away to this level then I may be passing this as he's been sat waiting for a monster, if he's just taken a hit to get to this level then I probs snap

[GreekStein]

hmm. If narrower than QJ means any ace or pair then call. Only you who played with him can determine his range in this spot.

Spike vs his KK then wrap your arm round his girlfriend and tell her you'll be bringing home a lot more than £250 as he walks out the door crying

[TightEnd]

why is button at 18k? if he's been blinding away to this level then I may be passing this as he's been sat waiting for a monster, if he's just taken a hit to get to this level then I probs snap

He's been waiting.

GreekStein. The life EV of wooing this particular girlfriend here with dextrous flair, restealing and general impressive chip momentum is negative.

[TightEnd]

in my thoughts

His range is narrow, narrower than most, if I call and lose I have 27,000 with an 8 handed round before I hit the blinds. Blast unopened pots to get back in it, but with far less fold equity so pick on all but the two big stacks.


correct thought process?

[noble1]

if his range to shove is only around top %12  - 22+,AJs+,KJs+,AJo+,KJo+  then mathematically it is close .. if you think he his wider with Ax+ QT+ then it is a definite call for me.

[gatso]

if all your info is correct this is looking like a reluctant pass

[Sweetman]

From what youve said here about the button, then I think you can fold, its a pretty sizeable call with only 45k left.  Its going to be close mathematically.

Next hand you have the button, and weak tight SB.

This hand you may be turning down a spot to knock a player out and chip up, but the next few hands you may garner chips far more easily.

In other words, now may be a decent spot, but better spots are on the horizon.

[kinboshi]

How fit is his girlfriend?  I think we need more information before we can make an informed decision on this one.


...and on a serious note - what do you do in this situation with a medium pair?

[TightEnd]

How fit is his girlfriend?  I think we need more information before we can make an informed decision on this one.


...and on a serious note - what do you do in this situation with a medium pair?

the girlfriend is not a factor in this decision. An eight pinter.

Medium pair question is pretty similar to what you do with A10s here isn't it?  Probably a call against the vast majority, but this fella maybe not