Should exctasy be downgraded to class B?

[gatso]

but the problem to me is that one drug, in the hands of the vulnerable, can easily lead them to different drugs, to get higher highs, to escape whatever misery they are suffering from.

the gateway drug argument is tbh an absolute nonsense when in a discussion about drug legality

yes people may well buy another drug with their ecstasy or cannabis but only because they're available from the same place atm, much the same as someone might buy pork scratchings with their beer but if the 2 weren't both available in the pub they'd never consider getting scratchings at all

if a drug dealer has a load of knock off dvds that they're also flogging then people are likely to buy some when they go to pick up their pills. that doesn't mean that ecstasy was a gateway to watching poor quality romantic comedies

[madasahatstand]

There is some sense in what Totalise says and its not soley a gateway argument. If most people go to a house to buy E, they wont consider buying heroin, infact they would probably find a different supplier. There are certain vunerabilities that may attact certain people to experiement with heroin.

The word 'abuse' interests me. Most people dont 'abuse' drugs but take them for fun. People who do end up using problematically, do drugs for differrent reasons and may be more prone to following the 'gateway' path. Calling people abusers is moralising IMO but I think people are talking about problem use when they use that term? If not, they dont know what they are talking about. If you told the typical E users thay were abusers, they would have a good old laugh and probably want to give you some good E old loving anyway

[totalise]

yes people may well buy another drug with their ecstasy or cannabis but only because they're available from the same place atm

lol

madasahatstand,

I dont know the context in which others have used the word 'abuse', but I used it not to describe those that take drugs for fun.. if everyone took drugs for fun and didn't get addicted and didn't get dependant on them, there wouldnt be much reason to criminalise them in the first place, but its used to describe those that do go down the dark path. Maybe addicts is a better term? If thats a case of moralising, I'd like to apologise to all the drug addicts that are reading this thread. 

[madasahatstand]

yes people may well buy another drug with their ecstasy or cannabis but only because they're available from the same place atm

lol

madasahatstand,

I dont know the context in which others have used the word 'abuse', but I used it not to describe those that take drugs for fun.. if everyone took drugs for fun and didn't get addicted and didn't get dependant on them, there wouldnt be much reason to criminalise them in the first place, but its used to describe those that do go down the dark path. Maybe addicts is a better term? If thats a case of moralising, I'd like to apologise to all the drug addicts that are reading this thread. 

Maybe our numerous debates on this issue has softened you around the edges? Wonders will never cease!

[totalise]

yes people may well buy another drug with their ecstasy or cannabis but only because they're available from the same place atm

lol

madasahatstand,

I dont know the context in which others have used the word 'abuse', but I used it not to describe those that take drugs for fun.. if everyone took drugs for fun and didn't get addicted and didn't get dependant on them, there wouldnt be much reason to criminalise them in the first place, but its used to describe those that do go down the dark path. Maybe addicts is a better term? If thats a case of moralising, I'd like to apologise to all the drug addicts that are reading this thread. 

Maybe our numerous debates on this issue has softened you around the edges? Wonders will never cease!

debates? lol, sermons more like!  but yup, most of what you say about drugs makes sense

[madasahatstand]

yes people may well buy another drug with their ecstasy or cannabis but only because they're available from the same place atm

lol

madasahatstand,

I dont know the context in which others have used the word 'abuse', but I used it not to describe those that take drugs for fun.. if everyone took drugs for fun and didn't get addicted and didn't get dependant on them, there wouldnt be much reason to criminalise them in the first place, but its used to describe those that do go down the dark path. Maybe addicts is a better term? If thats a case of moralising, I'd like to apologise to all the drug addicts that are reading this thread. 

Maybe our numerous debates on this issue has softened you around the edges? Wonders will never cease!

debates? lol, sermons more like!  but yup, most of what you say about drugs makes sense

Yes you do like to preach! I'll make a liberal of you one day

[totalise]

yes people may well buy another drug with their ecstasy or cannabis but only because they're available from the same place atm

lol

madasahatstand,

I dont know the context in which others have used the word 'abuse', but I used it not to describe those that take drugs for fun.. if everyone took drugs for fun and didn't get addicted and didn't get dependant on them, there wouldnt be much reason to criminalise them in the first place, but its used to describe those that do go down the dark path. Maybe addicts is a better term? If thats a case of moralising, I'd like to apologise to all the drug addicts that are reading this thread. 

Maybe our numerous debates on this issue has softened you around the edges? Wonders will never cease!

debates? lol, sermons more like!  but yup, most of what you say about drugs makes sense

Yes you do like to preach! I'll make a liberal of you one day

lolol yeah yeah

[MANTIS01]

Every single one of us take drugs for different reasons. The guy who needs an espresso and a fag to wake up in the morning, the guy who downs a couple of bottles of vodka cos his wife left him, to the guy who has a bit of coke at the weekend just to blow off some steam. Classification of drugs has always been a nonsense imo. Saying drug A leads onto drug B is nonsense. Saying a lower classification sends the wrong signal to people is nonsense. It is only not nonsense if you have zero respect for the free will and good sense of the person in question. Personally I will consume whatever I want in this life regardless of the law. Cos I am the law. The government saying that it's ok to kill myself with x, y, and z drugs but I can't touch drugs a and b mean the law is clearly an ass. So so much better to offer quality drug education to kids and then let them decide how they go about their lives. Telling kids stuff is taboo gets them well interested from the start. 

[lazaroonie]

so getting serious for a minute....

how many on the list have you tried ?

 

[Nem]

so getting serious for a minute....

how many on the list have you tried ?

 

what list?

[lazaroonie]

drugs rated by their overall danger according to a home office study. similar studies comissioned by eu came up with essentially the same conclusion i.e. ecstasy not very dangerous at all

1. Heroin
2. Cocaine
3. Barbituates
4. Street methadone
5. Alcohol
6. Ketamine
7. Benzodiazepines (e.g. Vallium)
8. Amphetamines
9. Tobacco
10. Buprenorphine
11. Cannabis
12. Solvents
13. 4-MTA
14. LSD
15. Methylphenidate (Ritalin)
16. Anabolic steroids
17. GHB
18. Ecstasy
19. Alkyl Nitrites (poppers)
20. Khat

this list

[Wardonkey]

so getting serious for a minute....

how many on the list have you tried ?

 

11

[bolt pp]

so getting serious for a minute....

how many on the list have you tried ?

 

11

lol, yeah me too,

i wonder if it's the same 11

[Wardonkey]

I can confirm that Khat is about as much fun as chewing privet.

(I gave up the privet habit when I was 6)

[TheChipPrince]

1. Heroin
2. Cocaine
3. Barbituates
4. Street methadone
5. Alcohol
6. Ketamine
7. Benzodiazepines (e.g. Vallium)
8. Amphetamines
9. Tobacco
10. Buprenorphine
11. Cannabis
12. Solvents
13. 4-MTA
14. LSD
15. Methylphenidate (Ritalin)
16. Anabolic steroids
17. GHB
18. Ecstasy
19. Alkyl Nitrites (poppers)
20. Khat



I guess these Bolt!