WOAH far too close to home

[cia260895]

I have shed loads of opinions, but this subject is so multi faceted that for every argument there will be an equally compelling counter argument.

I daren't comment, cos I'll be at it all night.

pls do comment Red

[sofa----king]

i think the difference is that 20 years ago me and a few mates would go camping, we would be sensible have a little fire with the farmers permission stick up a tent, go out trying to get a few rabbits or rats and everyone had fun but was sensible. Nowadays you would have armed police swooping on a field as some hoodies were armed and squatting in a field whilst trying to burn down a local woods. Society has changed it's views and ideas on what is acceptable.

I am not saying anyone is wrong with their views on here but for me cia has made all the correct means to make this as safe as possible in his garden for all involved or not involved.

You might well be right - I'm also sure that cia has done all he can - just not sure about the merit of getting anybody interested in guns for any reason really

If he hadn't used them at ATC then i probably wouldnt have entertained the idea just for a bit of fun,as that is when accidents do occur,

 this was aquired purely for him to practice,and i believe that i am responsible enough to allow its use in my presence,but this aside I AM still unsure as to the continued use of it

if i where you id meet your boy half way,.,.,he can have the gun on its own a mon,wed,fri.,,.,.,.,.,.,and the pellets on a tue,thurs .,.,.,.,winner winner chicken dinner.,.,..,

[The_nun]

i think the difference is that 20 years ago me and a few mates would go camping, we would be sensible have a little fire with the farmers permission stick up a tent, go out trying to get a few rabbits or rats and everyone had fun but was sensible. Nowadays you would have armed police swooping on a field as some hoodies were armed and squatting in a field whilst trying to burn down a local woods. Society has changed it's views and ideas on what is acceptable.

I am not saying anyone is wrong with their views on here but for me cia has made all the correct means to make this as safe as possible in his garden for all involved or not involved.

You might well be right - I'm also sure that cia has done all he can - just not sure about the merit of getting anybody interested in guns for any reason really

If he hadn't used them at ATC then i probably wouldnt have entertained the idea just for a bit of fun,as that is when accidents do occur,

 this was aquired purely for him to practice,and i believe that i am responsible enough to allow its use in my presence,but this aside I AM still unsure as to the continued use of it

if i where you id meet your boy half way,.,.,he can have the gun on its own a mon,wed,fri.,,.,.,.,.,.,and the pellets on a tue,thurs .,.,.,.,winner winner chicken dinner.,.,..,

Lol,,,,,,,

[sofa----king]

when you come to cyprus i will show you how far the paslode nail gun goes.,.,,air rifle will look like a spud gun compared to this..,

[cia260895]

i think the difference is that 20 years ago me and a few mates would go camping, we would be sensible have a little fire with the farmers permission stick up a tent, go out trying to get a few rabbits or rats and everyone had fun but was sensible. Nowadays you would have armed police swooping on a field as some hoodies were armed and squatting in a field whilst trying to burn down a local woods. Society has changed it's views and ideas on what is acceptable.

I am not saying anyone is wrong with their views on here but for me cia has made all the correct means to make this as safe as possible in his garden for all involved or not involved.

You might well be right - I'm also sure that cia has done all he can - just not sure about the merit of getting anybody interested in guns for any reason really

If he hadn't used them at ATC then i probably wouldnt have entertained the idea just for a bit of fun,as that is when accidents do occur,

 this was aquired purely for him to practice,and i believe that i am responsible enough to allow its use in my presence,but this aside I AM still unsure as to the continued use of it

if i where you id meet your boy half way,.,.,he can have the gun on its own a mon,wed,fri.,,.,.,.,.,.,and the pellets on a tue,thurs .,.,.,.,winner winner chicken dinner.,.,..,

only get him every other weekend

wooohooo i go all the way to cyprus to see some work tools wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[Newmanseye]

invest in airsoft, its safer, the target practice equiptment is cheap and kids will be able to play and shoot each other playing soldier or whatever.

http://www.geniestuff.co.uk/airsoft-targets.htm#

all the safety equiptment is there and its better than exposing kids to the potential threat of a stray air pellet

you sure about kids playing soldiers with these shooting BB pellets at each other??

Providing you buy them the safety equipment for their eyes they will be fine m8, the bb's are harmless and if you ensure they dont firre upon people without the eyewear its fine, the BB's dont hurt m8,

Dont hurt you jest?? i fixed my brothers Bb gun that he uses when he goes fishing they fooking do hurt,I know he shot me in the arse as i was going up in his loft!!!!!

thats a close shot, the kids will be shooting from a fair distance apart i would imagine, it takes a lot of the sting out when its shot over a distance,  lets be fair its no where near as sore as a paint ball.

[cia260895]

invest in airsoft, its safer, the target practice equiptment is cheap and kids will be able to play and shoot each other playing soldier or whatever.

http://www.geniestuff.co.uk/airsoft-targets.htm#

all the safety equiptment is there and its better than exposing kids to the potential threat of a stray air pellet

you sure about kids playing soldiers with these shooting BB pellets at each other??

Providing you buy them the safety equipment for their eyes they will be fine m8, the bb's are harmless and if you ensure they dont firre upon people without the eyewear its fine, the BB's dont hurt m8,

Dont hurt you jest?? i fixed my brothers Bb gun that he uses when he goes fishing they fooking do hurt,I know he shot me in the arse as i was going up in his loft!!!!!

thats a close shot, the kids will be shooting from a fair distance apart i would imagine, it takes a lot of the sting out when its shot over a distance,  lets be fair its no where near as sore as a paint ball.

true but i still wouldnt give them to kids to play with

[Div]

Not entirely on topic, but these airgun pics are amazing...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/5049293/High-speed-photographs-by-Alan-Sailer-capture-the-moment-a-pellet-fired-from-an-air-rifle-hits-an-object.html

[cia260895]

fwiw  we stand between the trampoline and the shrubs with the pellets  sat on the trampoline,  the target is at the rear of the garden on the chipboard between the 2 sheds so as you can see there is no chance of any of the other kids getting past us.

[phatomch]

pellet would have to go through target, chip board, shed, fence and then the bush to hurt anyone. More than safe I think.

[EvilPie]

pellet would have to go through target, chip board, shed, fence and then the bush to hurt anyone. More than safe I think.

Or at 15 degrees straight through one of those windows!

You don't get that at a rifle range.

As long as cia is supervising then I guess the young lad's not going to aim at anything other than the correct target.

Can he be sure that the lad's never going to have the rifle on his own or with his mates? I hope so if he allows its continued use.

I can remember as a kid firing marbles with my catapult towards the houses about 200 metres away. They had loads of glass rooflights so there was always a chance of a hit. I was a very responsible young lad but the temptation of firing those marbles was just too much. Just a random shot in to the air then wait and listen to see if anyhing broke. (It never did)

Unfortunately this is the problem with young lads. No matter how responsible they are they will always get in to mischief. It's when that harmless and innocent mischief goes wrong that the problems or tragedies occur.

[cia260895]

pellet would have to go through target, chip board, shed, fence and then the bush to hurt anyone. More than safe I think.

Or at 15 degrees straight through one of those windows!

You don't get that at a rifle range.

As long as cia is supervising then I guess the young lad's not going to aim at anything other than the correct target.

Can he be sure that the lad's never going to have the rifle on his own or with his mates? I hope so if he allows its continued use.

I can remember as a kid firing marbles with my catapult towards the houses about 200 metres away. They had loads of glass rooflights so there was always a chance of a hit. I was a very responsible young lad but the temptation of firing those marbles was just too much. Just a random shot in to the air then wait and listen to see if anyhing broke. (It never did)

Unfortunately this is the problem with young lads. No matter how responsible they are they will always get in to mischief. It's when that harmless and innocent mischief goes wrong that the problems or tragedies occur.

seeing as he is only over here every other weekend he doesn't have any friends over this way,so not really an issue.

If he was a mischief type of kid then maybe, but he just doesn't have that side in him,he is the type of kid who always wears his crash hat when cycling as daft as it does look and if you said lights out at 11pm they would go out at exactly 11pm,probably more to being borderline aspergers and taking things literrally,

agreed accidents can happen,it is a case of weighing up the chances and at the mo i am siding towards nothing untoward happening as i will always be in attendance,but i am still wavering on this..

[Ironside]

no1, I uncock it and load it then hand it to him to aim and fire

wrong

the first thing you need to learn before firing is how to handle, load , unload and make safe the weapon. NEVER EVER hand a loaded weopon over to another person
you know how long it was between me joining the army at 16 and living breathing the army every day and me firing a weapon?

[cia260895]

no1, I uncock it and load it then hand it to him to aim and fire

wrong

the first thing you need to learn before firing is how to handle, load , unload and make safe the weapon. NEVER EVER hand a loaded weopon over to another person

you know how long it was between me joining the army at 16 and living breathing the army every day and me firing a weapon?

Why is that iron?

No

[Ironside]

before you hand anyone a weapon you always make sure it is unloaded and clear it showing them the empty barrell before handing it over,

when you are handing a weapon to another person it is not in a stable postion point down the range and therefore you are in danger of hitting someone if you were to ND

i joined as a junior leader which meant basic for a year we didnt fire a weopon once in the first term (4 months) instead we learnt how to handle the weapon, load the weapon, unload the weapon , strip the weapon , all of this we could do with a blindfold on before we went anywhere near a range