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« Reply #30 on: March 25, 2009, 04:10:41 PM »

Look at the laws & the rules of safe usage: http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm

Note this one:

It is an offence to fire any weapon within 50 feet of the centre of any roadway, if by doing so you cause a nuisance. This offence could be committed by someone on private property close to a road who used a gun in a way which upset people on the road.

Someone anti-gun could cause you problems unless you've a big garden.

Note he's got exceptions to the law if carrying the airgun in relation to the Cadets.

Teaching him safe usage is a good way of a) showing him you trust him, b) letting him see the benefits of repaying that trust.


This is all well and good if cia is proficient himself in the use of an air rifle.

If he is then it's fine and if an accident occurred, even a small one he would know that he had put as many rules in place as possible to prevent such an accident.

If however he isn't fully proficient then he should leave the teaching to the experts at the rifle range when his son attends atc.

I know it's fun for father / son to share these sort of activities but maybe the fun could come the other way as his son teaches him correct usage as learnt from his experience at atc.
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« Reply #31 on: March 25, 2009, 04:16:21 PM »

Waver a lot more. PLEASE!

What a bizarre thread, if I may say so, not meaning to be rude.

I've got my kid an air-rife.

Oh look, kids get killed by air-rifle accidents!

Evil has got it spot on.

Kids - don't do guns. It will end in tears for somebody, or something.

Have you ever thought of taking him trainspotting? It's really most exciting, you know.

Please think again.

Oh come on Tony - Kids have too much cotton wool treatment nowardays. No wonder they grow up unable to take responability and risks.

I'd a sheath knife from 14 & an airgun from 16. I was taught safe usage before I was allowed them without my Dad being there. I cut my self accidentally twice and learned about safe usage of a knife. I took the lesson on the use of the gun a lot more seriously as a result. More kids die from pushbikes, outward bound courses, choking on food, falling out of windows etc than killed in airgun accidents.

Sigh...

Like I said previously this is a simple numbers game. Of course more people die from choking on food.

The majority of people on the planet eat food every day. Of course a few are going to die from choking.

How many kids have a pushbike? Pretty much all of them. Of course some are going to die using them.

Yes I agree that not many die from air rifles.

This article tells us of one person dying from an air rifle incident and of course we all know it's an isolated incident but how many actually use air rifles. I'm sure it's a lot but compared to push bike users?

And well done for cutting yourself accidentally twice and learning about safe knife usage because of it.

Did you not learn from accident no1?



Did I say I cut myself the same way twice? Got advice on safe usage, learned properly by making my own mistakes.

When I got the airgun was given hard & fast rules - because mistakes were too dangerous to risk, never broke them.
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« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2009, 04:19:14 PM »

Look at the laws & the rules of safe usage: http://f4bscale.worldonline.co.uk/gunlaw.htm

Note this one:

It is an offence to fire any weapon within 50 feet of the centre of any roadway, if by doing so you cause a nuisance. This offence could be committed by someone on private property close to a road who used a gun in a way which upset people on the road.

Someone anti-gun could cause you problems unless you've a big garden.

Note he's got exceptions to the law if carrying the airgun in relation to the Cadets.

Teaching him safe usage is a good way of a) showing him you trust him, b) letting him see the benefits of repaying that trust.


This is all well and good if cia is proficient himself in the use of an air rifle.

If he is then it's fine and if an accident occurred, even a small one he would know that he had put as many rules in place as possible to prevent such an accident.

If however he isn't fully proficient then he should leave the teaching to the experts at the rifle range when his son attends atc.

I know it's fun for father / son to share these sort of activities but maybe the fun could come the other way as his son teaches him correct usage as learnt from his experience at atc.

You're awfully judgemental on other people's abilities. Airguns aren't that dangerous if the rules are followed & if CIA read and followed them he could get the importance across to his boy. Possibly better than someone a bit blase becasue they use them all the time.
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« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2009, 04:22:11 PM »

we  brought a 22 air rifle out to cyprus in a container,,,used all the pelletes in the first few weeks shooting at bottles etc,,,then found out that 22's are ilegal out here(can't buy pellets) for some silly reason,,,,you can buy a shotgun off the shelf in cyprus with just a driving licence,,,,,
but we had more fun shooting my first fix paslode guns up in the air at the end of the garden 4''nail's fly's over 150metres,,,,silly i know.,.,.,wont be doing it again.,.,but still had fun.,.,.,quiting while ahead ,..,.,,,.guns a very dangerous.,..,not as dangerous as a paslode mind..,.,.,
archery for the win now just bought niall a bow and arrow set.,..,we throw the aluminium arrows with a  boot lace they go forever.,.,,but dont stand under them comming down you could ave an eye out..,.,
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« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2009, 05:02:13 PM »

My Grandfather had an elephant gun from his 'days in the Raj' although I'm sure that really happened - anyway - he allowed the grandchildren to play with it. One day when we were rootling around in the attic (it was an enormous room that ran across the entire house) we found the shells for the elephant gun.

Being kids we thought we would use them in the gun. Luckily my cousin fired the gun and missed everyone, but narrowly as he spun as he fired, but the force pushed him back so hard he went into a large conservatory window, broke the glass and nearly died. Obv in the days before safety glass was a requirement!

We were sensible children normally but still did this.

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« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2009, 05:05:46 PM »

you are willing to hover Kev's glory hole, your opinion doesn't count, you cant be right up top
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« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2009, 05:07:56 PM »

you are willing to hover Kev's glory hole, your opinion doesn't count, you cant be right up top

Its what she kept the elephant gun for


As to the question, my boys are 13 and 12. Not a hope in hell they are being let loose with rifle/airgun/similar unless on a range instructed by professionals
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« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2009, 05:47:40 PM »

am still none the better off,

Being in the line of work that I am I am always a safety 1st type of guy,not irresponsible and not willing to put anyones life in danger Sure there is both sides to this but I just dont know which 1 to take,if i stop it Charlie would be devastated as he really enjoys it,and as long as i in control I am sure that there would be no problems.Definitely going to the gun academy for further advice gudance.

BUT there is always that chance,

like other have said people get killed riding bikes and all sorts, hey they can even get crippled playing sports but that doesnt stop them doing it

OH i DUNNO
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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2009, 05:50:54 PM »

you are willing to hover Kev's glory hole, your opinion doesn't count, you cant be right up top

Its what she kept the elephant gun for


As to the question, my boys are 13 and 12. Not a hope in hell they are being let loose with rifle/airgun/similar unless on a range instructed by professionals

The most predictable reply ever, & thank God for that.

I do find it interesting that debates about gun use, the world over, but led by America, are so divisive. Nobody ever wobbles, they (we) are all hard-line one way or the other, & easily get uppity. And we can't see the other side of the argument to, pardon the pun, save our lives.

Much like Politics, Religion, & Football, I guess.
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« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2009, 05:53:07 PM »

am still none the better off,

Being in the line of work that I am I am always a safety 1st type of guy,not irresponsible and not willing to put anyones life in danger Sure there is both sides to this but I just dont know which 1 to take,if i stop it Charlie would be devastated as he really enjoys it,and as long as i in control I am sure that there would be no problems.Definitely going to the gun academy for further advice gudance.

BUT there is always that chance,

like other have said people get killed riding bikes and all sorts, hey they can even get crippled playing sports but that doesnt stop them doing it

OH i DUNNO

What has that got to do with it? He'll get over it!

Being told "no" can be a good thing for kids.
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« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2009, 05:57:39 PM »

I am wobbling but just dont know which way i'll topple as of yet.

am still none the better off,

Being in the line of work that I am I am always a safety 1st type of guy,not irresponsible and not willing to put anyones life in danger Sure there is both sides to this but I just dont know which 1 to take,if i stop it Charlie would be devastated as he really enjoys it,and as long as i in control I am sure that there would be no problems.Definitely going to the gun academy for further advice gudance.

BUT there is always that chance,

like other have said people get killed riding bikes and all sorts, hey they can even get crippled playing sports but that doesnt stop them doing it

OH i DUNNO

What has that got to do with it? He'll get over it!

Being told "no" can be a good thing for kids.

It has a bearing on it Tony although not huge it does have a bearing on it,yeah I know he'll get over it but if all precautions are put in place then surely it would be  a safe pastime,like i said before people can get crippled playing a lot of different sports but we dont stop them as we dont want to wrap them up in cotton wool.

trust me i am not 100% one way or the other atm
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« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2009, 06:04:41 PM »


I hate guns, and I don't allow my kids to have toy guns.
IMO Implements designed to kill, with little, or no, positive use.

As to more people dying /  getting hurt in RTA's, sports etc... than through gunfire.................. I think even the most uneducated person could work out why this isn't a good argument.

Don't give them to kids.
Don't give them to adults.
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« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2009, 06:04:55 PM »

I am wobbling but just dont know which way i'll topple as of yet.

am still none the better off,

Being in the line of work that I am I am always a safety 1st type of guy,not irresponsible and not willing to put anyones life in danger Sure there is both sides to this but I just dont know which 1 to take,if i stop it Charlie would be devastated as he really enjoys it,and as long as i in control I am sure that there would be no problems.Definitely going to the gun academy for further advice gudance.

BUT there is always that chance,

like other have said people get killed riding bikes and all sorts, hey they can even get crippled playing sports but that doesnt stop them doing it

OH i DUNNO

What has that got to do with it? He'll get over it!

Being told "no" can be a good thing for kids.

It has a bearing on it Tony although not huge it does have a bearing on it,yeah I know he'll get over it but if all precautions are put in place then surely it would be  a safe pastime,like i said before people can get crippled playing a lot of different sports but we dont stop them as we dont want to wrap them up in cotton wool.

trust me i am not 100% one way or the other atm

How about a compromise - take him paintballing?
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« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2009, 06:06:52 PM »

Waver a lot more. PLEASE!

What a bizarre thread, if I may say so, not meaning to be rude.

I've got my kid an air-rife.

Oh look, kids get killed by air-rifle accidents!

Evil has got it spot on.

Kids - don't do guns. It will end in tears for somebody, or something.

Have you ever thought of taking him trainspotting? It's really most exciting, you know.

Please think again.

Oh come on Tony - Kids have too much cotton wool treatment nowardays. No wonder they grow up unable to take responability and risks.

I'd a sheath knife from 14 & an airgun from 16. I was taught safe usage before I was allowed them without my Dad being there. I cut my self accidentally twice and learned about safe usage of a knife. I took the lesson on the use of the gun a lot more seriously as a result. More kids die from pushbikes, outward bound courses, choking on food, falling out of windows etc than killed in airgun accidents.

what if one of your two cuts you mentioned where of your wrist/throat/eye etc etc....you might not have been here to tell us about it mate

No way should kids be allowed near Guns, Knifes etc etc, can't believe so many people are of the opposite idea, im quite shocked TBH!
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« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2009, 06:10:31 PM »


Amen to the Posts by Jakally & Scottish Dave.

I'm not a Parent, & never have geen, so I guess my view is not very relevant, but the mere thought of giving kids weapons is something I find totally abhorrent.
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