Greyhound Racing Thread

[atdc21]

Didnt even know Towcester had a dog track, looks a decent set up ?
Flatter than the racecourse anyway 

[MattyHollis]

Didnt even know Towcester had a dog track, looks a decent set up ?
Flatter than the racecourse anyway 

Was supposed to bring a boom back to the game. It got people talking and it took trainers from every track and left them short. Now it favours 1 or 2 trainers the others are running back to where they left with their tails between their legs.

It has also deemed a lot of injuries since it opened which has brought a lot of bad press and question marks over the sand and setup.

[arbboy]

I think Towcester are a terrible false fav for the track championship in December with the aforementioned trainers already leaving.  These prices haven't been updated for ages. 

http://www.oddschecker.com/greyhounds/ante-post/bags-track-championship/winner

Anyone got any views on where the value is?

[arbboy]

All mid/outside at monmore this afternoon on bags.  t1's not sighted all afternoon.

[MattyHollis]

I think Towcester are a terrible false fav for the track championship in December with the aforementioned trainers already leaving.  These prices haven't been updated for ages.  

http://www.oddschecker.com/greyhounds/ante-post/bags-track-championship/winner

Anyone got any views on where the value is?

I couldn't be betting at 5/2 for sure. That group is the toughest to predict and arguably some of the strongest grades in the country as well as last years winners (P'boro) in it.

The finals will be held at a neutral track which could well dictate who wins it. Being short runners at galloping tracks or vice-versa.

I think winners of each group will be Newcastle/Monmore/P'boro/Romford. Best runners up are anyones guess

I do think the most open of areas is the Midlands/South and possibly Perry Barr/Poole have more chance to qualify than the bookies give them so perhaps 150/100s ew appeal - especially as they even have a chance at best placed 2nd to go through as well?

[MattyHollis]

I find it funny seeing Henlow/Harlow/Mildenhall and Pelaw on the list - shows that the bookies haven't even looked!

[arbboy]

I find it funny seeing Henlow/Harlow/Mildenhall and Pelaw on the list - shows that the bookies haven't even looked!

I think all the non bags contract tracks have a play off for one place in the comp.  Sure something like that happened last year.  I might be wrong.

[MattyHollis]

I find it funny seeing Henlow/Harlow/Mildenhall and Pelaw on the list - shows that the bookies haven't even looked!

I think all the non bags contract tracks have a play off for one place in the comp.  Sure something like that happened last year.  I might be wrong.

From bags site :

"The last qualifier before the final will take place at Wimbledon on Saturday, 5 December. At the end of the group stage, the highest points-scoring team in each will go through to compete in the Grand Finals, along with the two highest scoring runners-up."

[arbboy]

Final will pretty much always be held at a 480m track ish i would imagine.    Puts extreme tracks like Cray/romf/hove at big disadvantage imo.

[MattyHollis]

Final will pretty much always be held at a 480m track ish i would imagine.    Puts extreme tracks like Cray/romf/hove at big disadvantage imo.

I'm not so convinced, although yes obviously highly likely.

I could see it being held at P'boro if they don't manage to qualify for the final as it is fairly central and they were last years winners. Would be my guess. Other favourites to host would have to be Nottingham/Monmore I agree due to the track size and location. That being said P Barr/Poole wouldn't be at any disadvantage at those. I actually quite like the prices of those in that group. Monmore are obviously worthy favourites and with Allsopp back there now it helps, but Hall Green's grade isn't that strong, Swindon are struggling to make up a card at the moment, leaving the other two value in that group to qualify imo and then who knows? As I said they don't need to beat Monmore in the group to actually qualify either with the 2 best runners up from the 4 groups going through. Then it's take your chance in the final time with 4 places e/w sweat too.

[MattyHollis]

Final will pretty much always be held at a 480m track ish i would imagine.    Puts extreme tracks like Cray/romf/hove at big disadvantage imo.

Will also say on this, that Romford aren't stupid. Having been involved a couple of years ago the RM is very shrewd in his selections of dogs. Use home advantage well but don't send short running types to places like Hove. There is plenty of depth, dogs are struggling to get runs round there which is not something that can be said about alot of other tracks. They have specialists for their track to choose for home legs and the choice of numerous dogs for away legs which they are very shrewd at picking. Think they are a shoe in for their group tbh and 20/1 is fair.

[arbboy]

Final will pretty much always be held at a 480m track ish i would imagine.    Puts extreme tracks like Cray/romf/hove at big disadvantage imo.

I'm not so convinced, although yes obviously highly likely.

I could see it being held at P'boro if they don't manage to qualify for the final as it is fairly central and they were last years winners. Would be my guess. Other favourites to host would have to be Nottingham/Monmore I agree due to the track size and location. That being said P Barr/Poole wouldn't be at any disadvantage at those. I actually quite like the prices of those in that group. Monmore are obviously worthy favourites and with Allsopp back there now it helps, but Hall Green's grade isn't that strong, Swindon are struggling to make up a card at the moment, leaving the other two value in that group to qualify imo and then who knows? As I said they don't need to beat Monmore in the group to actually qualify either with the 2 best runners up from the 4 groups going through. Then it's take your chance in the final time with 4 places e/w sweat too.

I would be amazed if they run it at the posh.  It is an awful track over 435m with a terrible first bend.  Amazes me it is on RPGTV.  Only reason is because the local layers bet to very 'firm' friendly percentages (same as Henlow).  The reverse reason why Coventry lasted 2 months on RPGTV because the fearless layers there were very aggressive margin wise and happy to take on betfair because Harry owned the gaff.  The off course boys who sponsor the channel soon made sure Henlow got their gig.

It is the 1/4 1,2,3,4 ew terms which is really attracting be to the coup with such a 'bad' short priced fav and the amount of tracks which literally have no chance of winning.

[arbboy]

Final will pretty much always be held at a 480m track ish i would imagine.    Puts extreme tracks like Cray/romf/hove at big disadvantage imo.

Will also say on this, that Romford aren't stupid. Having been involved a couple of years ago the RM is very shrewd in his selections of dogs. Use home advantage well but don't send short running types to places like Hove. There is plenty of depth, dogs are struggling to get runs round there which is not something that can be said about alot of other tracks. They have specialists for their track to choose for home legs and the choice of numerous dogs for away legs which they are very shrewd at picking. Think they are a shoe in for their group tbh and 20/1 is fair.

This is the key for me this year.  So many tracks don't have the kennel strength to 'bend the rules' and hold back dogs for this competition.  Romford like you say is one of those which could easily be still capable of laying dogs out for this event.

[arbboy]

http://www.bagsracing.com/tc-page.html

For anyone not aware of this competition here are the details.  It is run on the 23rd December i think (when there is no horse racing on sis for the firms to bet on prior to xmas - betting shops used to close on this day prior to xmas eve before FOBT's arrived to give the staff their xmas holidays so they could work on the busy boxing day).  It will be on skysports live all afternoon.  It is a built for the betting shops/skysport event for the afternoon with no horse racing to offer punters.

[arbboy]

Given how weak Newcastle's group is even if they don't win the group outright they must be huge odds on to score massively to finish as a highest scoring runner up given their graded strength and the 3 rags in the group with them.  I would even consider Belle Vue having little chance in their group etc.  

I think newcastle at 4/1 ew is a really really strong bet.  So so hard to see how they don't make the final given their group.   They should be clear favs for me given their draw.  Their 480m distance is also perfect for the final as they are highly likely to run a 480m track.  Hard to see any negatives.