Greyhound Racing Thread

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Towcester tonight, big shame it's only on SIS and of course bookies close so not all the meeting will be shown. Anyway think I've had a little value dibble dabble. I really like Burnfoot Alpha at 9/2 ( as low as 3/1 in places and will prob be this come off) it's up against King Dec who is odds on but I think this dog is better than the price suggests and has enough to take this. Have had £40 win.

So we got the 3/1 but another second. Didn't see the race yet so not sure what happened.

Really doesn't surprise me anymore about how the on course layers treat the general public, most probably still enjoyed their evening without knowing they where being ripped off.

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Towcester tonight, big shame it's only on SIS and of course bookies close so not all the meeting will be shown. Anyway think I've had a little value dibble dabble. I really like Burnfoot Alpha at 9/2 ( as low as 3/1 in places and will prob be this come off) it's up against King Dec who is odds on but I think this dog is better than the price suggests and has enough to take this. Have had £40 win.

So we got the 3/1 but another second. Didn't see the race yet so not sure what happened.

Really doesn't surprise me anymore about how the on course layers treat the general public, most probably still enjoyed their evening without knowing they where being ripped off.

And that's the truth.

[arbboy]

Towcester tonight, big shame it's only on SIS and of course bookies close so not all the meeting will be shown. Anyway think I've had a little value dibble dabble. I really like Burnfoot Alpha at 9/2 ( as low as 3/1 in places and will prob be this come off) it's up against King Dec who is odds on but I think this dog is better than the price suggests and has enough to take this. Have had £40 win.

So we got the 3/1 but another second. Didn't see the race yet so not sure what happened.

Really doesn't surprise me anymore about how the on course layers treat the general public, most probably still enjoyed their evening without knowing they where being ripped off.

And that's the truth.

I agree but the industry is always complaining no one comes racing and everyone stays at home and bets on the machine and watches the dogs on tv etc.  Prior to Towcester opening the CEO came on various media outlets promoting the place as the best thing since sliced bread/totally revolutionize the game etc etc.  When asked several times what their bookmaking situation would be he promised proper experienced layers (which they all are) who would bet to strong %'s and offer a product that would get serious punters to the track.  If they can't bet to less than 140% on the quality of racing they had last night then god knows how grim it will be on a graded card which is a lot harder to price up/doesn't have early prices as a guide from the major firms in the morning.

People have every right to price their product how they choose.  I totally agree with that.  Then let the market forces talk.  However, i don't appreciate being told one thing by the CEO and the exact opposite happening in practice.  I actually can't remember a night where the punters got treated with such contempt at a 'major' uk greyhound track in my time in the game.  

A few years down the line when Towcester are not getting the numbers attending and the betting turnover their product needs to pay for the free admission promo they offer they might remember how short term their layers were on the opening night.  On course layers always moaning that the game is dead.  Try being competitive and you might see proper punters who bet more than a tenner a race come back to use your product rather than sit at home betting to 105% on bf and getting whatever bet they want with no questions asked.  5/10% of a fortune makes you a lot more than 40% of a few tenners from the casuals who bother to leave their dining table to bet in the ring.  Given the track tote has promised only an 18% take out from the win pool any punter would have been twice as well off betting with the track tote than the layers on course.  I didn't think i would ever see the day i heard myself say that at a track in the UK.

They are live on sky sports next weekend for their 'grand opening' night.  It will be interesting to see what they do for pr reasons when they are exposed on sky sports.

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On course layers always moaning that the game is dead.  Try being competitive and you might see proper punters who bet more than a tenner a race come back...

Reading bits on the internet about dog racing I was shocked how strong the ring was at the big city tracks - people getting four figure bets on in the 'sixties etc. Where are all those punters now: betting football singles, FOBTs?

[arbboy]

On course layers always moaning that the game is dead.  Try being competitive and you might see proper punters who bet more than a tenner a race come back...

Reading bits on the internet about dog racing I was shocked how strong the ring was at the big city tracks - people getting four figure bets on in the 'sixties etc. Where are all those punters now: betting football singles, FOBTs?

The rings back then were amazingly strong.  Even in the mid/late 90s when i first went dog racing the rings were very strong and the layers were much better judges of the game than they are nowadays and more willing to lay decent bets.  The internet has killed the game alongside Greyhound racing hasn't moved with the times and punters have moved to other products like you say.  FOBT's a big factor for shop turnover.  Football betting become massive.  Off course firms much prefer punters betting on these to horse/greyhounds as they dont have to contribute part of their profits to the levy.  Greyhounds 25 years ago would easily have been any betting firm's 2nd biggest product.  I would be amazed now if it's even in their top 5 sports.

There is still a very strong betting market on bf for all TV dog races Friday/Saturday night and that seems to be now where any serious punter goes to have a bet.

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Even allowing for nostalgia I got the impression that dog racing was right up there as the main outlet for gamblers - which makes sense given the convenience over going to the horses - and that there was a real mixed ecology of shrewdies, degens and recs all betting on it. This is the key to long term survival for any gambling business, isn't it? A warning from history to the horse racing authorities anyway.

[arbboy]

Even allowing for nostalgia I got the impression that dog racing was right up there as the main outlet for gamblers - which makes sense given the convenience over going to the horses - and that there was a real mixed ecology of shrewdies, degens and recs all betting on it. This is the key to long term survival for any gambling business, isn't it? A warning from history to the horse racing authorities anyway.

Horse racing is already on that slippery slope and could easily decline in a similar manner.  The big 4 layers will never admit it but they would prefer every shop punter to bet on the fobts and football than horses and greyhounds as they don't pay any levy on these products and they are easier to price up.

[arbboy]

massive outside bias at henlow tonight if anyone is chasing on the day and needs to get out!

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massive outside bias at henlow tonight if anyone is chasing on the day and needs to get out!

so sick 2/3 tricast (the third one missed by one place?)

8.45 not enough runners

Awesome

how does a 25/1 dog deny me the total scoop!!!!

Hero tyvm

[arbboy]

massive outside bias at henlow tonight if anyone is chasing on the day and needs to get out!

so sick 2/3 tricast (the third one missed by one place)

That was one sick bias tonight.  Never even mentioned in the studio either which was perfect so casuals didn't realise.

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massive outside bias at henlow tonight if anyone is chasing on the day and needs to get out!

so sick 2/3 tricast (the third one missed by one place)

That was one sick bias tonight.  Never even mentioned in the studio either which was perfect so casuals didn't realise.

Was obviously only on as it was mentioned here, as I know nothing about dogs but after the 8.30 was clear the info you posted was correct. Are they blind, useless or corrupt (in the bookies pocket)?

Horseracing obv relies heavily on sponsors and wouldnt upset them but they seem pretty transparent in giving their opinions I believe (bookies arent direct sponsors but buy up alot of advert slots etc). These people seem pretty bad for your game.

[arbboy]

massive outside bias at henlow tonight if anyone is chasing on the day and needs to get out!

so sick 2/3 tricast (the third one missed by one place)

That was one sick bias tonight.  Never even mentioned in the studio either which was perfect so casuals didn't realise.

Was obviously only on as it was mentioned here, as I know nothing about dogs but after the 8.30 was clear the info you posted was correct. Are they blind, useless or corrupt (in the bookies pocket)?

Horseracing obv relies heavily on sponsors and wouldnt upset them but they seem pretty transparent in giving their opinions I believe (bookies arent direct sponsors but buy up alot of advert slots etc). These people seem pretty bad for your game.

The channel is totally 100% sponsored by the big 5 bookies and betfair.  It wouldn't exist without them paying for it.  They fund it 100% hence why they get all the adverts in the break.  Perfect for me when they don't mention biases when you can lay dogs against it at short prices as the vast majority of people don't notice it.  Some of the results tonight were incredible.  Wide dogs which don't stay powering home away from the field against proven stayers on the rails who were fading badly on the inside.  Happened at least 3 times.  Then you really do know the going is massively outside.

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Oaks and Laurels finals from Belle Vue live on Sky tonight. Some great racing. What ever happens I can't have Pinpoint Finas at 9/4 with Laddies (21:04) can't see it being much more than 5/4 come the off. Tough race but worth the price.

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Oaks and Laurels finals from Belle Vue live on Sky tonight. Some great racing. What ever happens I can't have Pinpoint Finas at 9/4 with Laddies (21:04) can't see it being much more than 5/4 come the off. Tough race but worth the price.

6/4 on the off, found trouble and tumbled, dog ok.

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I like the 7/4 on Dower Matt tonight at Romford, without Gravy in the race he is odds on, ok it makes it more difficult with the puppy champ there, however Bubbly Rocket is in between them in t4 and I think Matt is on the right side of him in t3, rocket could cause Gravy more treble than Matt with his starting pace and I'd rather have the 7/4 on Matt than Gravy. That being said he may not be Much less than 6/4 come the off. As well as this Matt is back in tremendous form and he is one dog I will stick with until he proves otherwise. Any thoughts scotty?

I also like Ayamzeone and Adeago Bob which I have doubled up at 11/10 and 1/2, straight after the 11/10 went to evens so  price seems to have gone a bit there although you will get a great run for your money.

Blonde Razor ran a cracking race last week and no reason why he shouldn't again but the price is plenty short enough. At 6/1 I'm going to give Janoan another chance, can't see it being bigger than that on bf come the off and is shaping up to be a cracking dog. Only playing small ball n this one.

Good luck if your playing tonight.