AK late in a $550 STT

[Doobs]

This one has irritated me for a few days.

There are 5 left, I have 3200 in the cut off, SB has 3150, BB has 1400 and is a bad fish.  The others have 1050 and 400, I think the 400 was UTG but can't be sure.  Blinds are 100/200 and I don't think antes had started.  next level is probably 100/200(25), followed by 200/400(25).  Payments are 1950 1st and 1300 for second .

I raised last hand from the button with my fellow big stack in the BB and took it uncontested.

I get AK off, and raise to 600.  SB is a thinking player and is the best player in opposition he reraises all in.  I have seen him do this before with a wide range in situations like this.

Now the question is what was best here, bet hoping to induce a push from my oppo or just shove?  I know I would autoshove any of the smaller stacks than my own.

I lost obviously, but that shouldn't alter the decision.

[Longy]

Raise to 500 and call any shove is completely standard here.

[maldini32]

Raise to 500 and call any shove is completely standard here.

[NigDawG]

I lost obviously, but that shouldn't alter the decision.

heed your own words?

[MC]

Raise to 500 and call any shove is completely standard here.

Super standard infact.

Blatant "I play $500 STTs" brag thread imo...

[Dubai]

Id definitely make it less and call it off, assuming making it less would widen his shoving range. I think from an ICM point of view, if this paid the top 3 it would be a closer decision, I mean i never fold anyway but thats why i dont play sngs but I could see logic for making it like 450 and folding to big stack if it paid top 3- but as I said its not something I would ever do.

[Doobs]

I think it isn't a question of if I should call, I was always going to.  My thinking is that it may well have been better ICM wise just picking up 300 chips than having a 60/40(I am guessing I am something like that vs his range) for 3000 more chips, yet a 40% chance of getting nothing. 

I hadn't done the maths, but was thinking pushing could well be best.  I have done the maths now, and think I need to be 68% to make raise calling better.

As it was he shoved over the top with KJ off, and I slated him at the time.  But thinking after, my calling range here should really be a very small proportion of my raising range that his move is fine, and my move is pretty suspect.  But if you make an "error" it is nice to know you would be in good company.

I think it is probably a function of the very uneven stacks.  The raise call would probably be much better if we were all even in stacks.  I had a very similar situation in a multi not long ago (7 left and me and my fellow big stack each had more than 3x more than the 3rd place when we clashed, and thought I ought to learn to avoid these big clashes then)

FWIW I ran with 3125/3075/1400/1000/400 as the total should have been 9000.

[gatso]

I think it isn't a question of if I should call, I was always going to.  My thinking is that it may well have been better ICM wise just picking up 300 chips than having a 60/40(I am guessing I am something like that vs his range) for 3000 more chips, yet a 40% chance of getting nothing.

when you have to make the decision whether to shove or to raise to induce you are opening the pot so have no idea of sb's range so how are you making a decision assuming you'll be 60/40?

[Longy]

Are you taking into account that is overlay in the pot if you raise/fold? Also the added advantages of winning this showdown are massive, as you will be chipleader on the bubble.

[Doobs]

Payments are 1950 1st and 1300 for second. So it isn't the bubble,

and surely his bet has made no difference to whether I am 60/40 vs his reraising range or not?  I have no more information on his reraising range, all I know now is that he has reraised?

[gatso]

and surely his bet has made no difference to whether I am 60/40 vs his reraising range or not?  I have no more information on his reraising range, all I know now is that he has reraised?

no but you're asking if you're better shoving to pick up 300 or raise/calling and taking a 60/40

My thinking is that it may well have been better ICM wise just picking up 300 chips than having a 60/40(I am guessing I am something like that vs his range) for 3000 more chips, yet a 40% chance of getting nothing. 

at the time when you have to make that decision you can't possibly assign him a range so can't know it would be a 60/40 so can't use this as a factor in your decision making

[Doobs]

This is a level?

[gatso]

This is a level?

I thought so when I first read the op, then I thought you might be serious, now I'm not sure

[Doobs]

It is an interesting hand because I induced him to get all his chips in way behind, but I think he played it well and think I may have played it badly.  It involves a lot of counterintuitive logic.  I didn't think I did anything wrong at the time, it was only after when I thought it through that I thought what appeared a simple hand on the surface was really quite complex when you really thought about it.

His range isn't really an issue for two reasons.  1) I have played upwards of 500 games vs him, so can have a decent guess at his reraising range and 2) I would have to be 68% vs his range to make my move right. 

But despite all that, saying I cant have a guess at anybodies reraising range before he does it is just plain wrong.

[pokerfan]

Whats your h2h record over him ?