Truth of the Lie - Madeleine McCann Banned Book

[david3103]

Sensible, reasoned response to the suggestion that the McCann's hid the dead body of their 4yr old daughter....

There were 9 at dinner that night - can anyone believe that only 2 of them knew what was happening? Or that anything up to all nine of them could know for over three years that they had covered up the death of a child and not let it out?

Seriously? ALL of them?

ALL of them either stupid enough not to join the dots after the event, or

ALL of them conniving enough to conspire in a cover up for over three years?

It doesn't add up for me.

Wish I coud think of something that did though.

Wish we knew what had happened to Ben Needham too.

and Genette Tate

Keith Matthews

Andrew Gosden

Rebecca Martine Smith

Ames Glover

and more and more and more...

[StuartHopkin]

Please Mantis

I wanted an adult discussion about the book, what it implies and peoples thoughts on what happened.

Youve said that you dont think they had anything to do with it, fine, opinions are what I asked for.

Dont turn this thread into another Mantis vs The World thread.

In response to your line of thought above, I think it would be foolish to think that she is still alive. Either she died that evening, or was killed by the media frenzy. If you had kidnapped a kid and all of a sudden the whole world was looking for her what would you do.

No one has said she was definately murdered, definately kidnapped, definately had an accident. I dont think she was kidnapped due to the various things Ive heard and seen in the papers, media. There are things in that book that pretty much rule out that she was kidnapped. In my head that leaves the other two.

Im not stupid enough to believe everything I read or see on the television. Which is why I was looking forward to having a discussion on here. So far though people just seem to be using the preconceived perceptions of what people are like.

So in the hope of something constructive, would your opinion be the same if they were a pair of Chavs from a rough area of Liverpool?

Stu you can't raise a thoroughly ridiculous subject and ask for only the most sensible of debates about it. My frustration stems from your very contemplation of the idea. As poker players/gamblers we see favourable odds as somewhat of a religion yet you're advocating backing an incredible longshot here with pretty much no evidence to support the theory. On PHA if there was raise, 3-bet, 4-bet, 5-bet and then I advised jamming with 7-2 there would be a flaming frenzy, yet even jamming the 7-2 is a better bet % wise than the parents are guilty in this case. Also, I don't think people from Liverpool who wear burberry caps are any more or less likely to kill their children during family holidays abroad.

But not everyone thinks its ridiculous, many people believe the McCanns no more than they have let on, and parts of their story definately dont add up.

I don't understand why you think its so ridiculous? Which part of it is so hard to believe?

For example

Your a doctor, you find your child irritating and gets in the way of your relaxtion. Your not 100% normal in most peoples definition as you decide to sedat your children. Thats a great plan, that way we can go out and we know they wont wake up and scream for us. One of them does wake up. Falls awkwardly of the sofa while looking for her parents and dies. The parents get back and think 'oh shizer, this isnt going to look great, we havent be back to check on them because we doped them' in the heat of the moment they decide to try and cover it up and fake a kidnapping?

Maybe I just watch too many films, but in my world, the world where people stab, shoot, kill and rape each other for fun, revenge and just something to do, its not that far fetched.

Yeah im making assertions and assumptions etc, but I just dont see why its beyond consideration that something happened involviing them.

[StuartHopkin]

Once they started they couldnt stop?
They were 100% focused on making sure no one thought anything other than abduction.

I have no interest in 9/11 or conspiracy theories in general.

I do have an interest in a couple who I immediately felt were liars and an interesting case that seemed to disappear when they decided to return to England.

I realise Im very far on the side of they did it, but so far the only argument against them doing it on here is that it would be a 'lunatic' idea that they did.

Anyone harming their daughter or lying about it is absolute lunacy to me, that doesnt mean its never happened. There are many cases that make you sick to the stomach when you here them. Do you decide they cant have happened?

Its amazing how many people seem to have had that reaction for whatever reason.

Sadly there seems to a mass of history behind the guy who wrote this book being dodgy as which must severely limit how much you can trust anything in it.  Added to the fact that by writing this book your pretty much guaranteed mega $$$$ especially if you make it nice and saucy for the reader.

Now you see thats more interesting, do you have any links to articles about the guys past? Obviously he sells himself as a saint in the book, with a daughter the same age as Maddy.

[StuartHopkin]

Once they started they couldnt stop?

lol

I do have an interest in a couple who I immediately felt were liars

lolol

There are many cases that make you sick to the stomach when you here them. Do you decide they cant have happened?

What I usually do is take one look at the victim and decide if I think they're telling the truth or not.

What?

[roscopiko]

Once they started they couldnt stop?
They were 100% focused on making sure no one thought anything other than abduction.

I have no interest in 9/11 or conspiracy theories in general.

I do have an interest in a couple who I immediately felt were liars and an interesting case that seemed to disappear when they decided to return to England.

I realise Im very far on the side of they did it, but so far the only argument against them doing it on here is that it would be a 'lunatic' idea that they did.

Anyone harming their daughter or lying about it is absolute lunacy to me, that doesnt mean its never happened. There are many cases that make you sick to the stomach when you here them. Do you decide they cant have happened?

Its amazing how many people seem to have had that reaction for whatever reason.

Sadly there seems to a mass of history behind the guy who wrote this book being dodgy as which must severely limit how much you can trust anything in it.  Added to the fact that by writing this book your pretty much guaranteed mega $$$$ especially if you make it nice and saucy for the reader.

Now you see thats more interesting, do you have any links to articles about the guys past? Obviously he sells himself as a saint in the book, with a daughter the same age as Maddy.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2009/05/23/madeleine-mccann-hunt-cop-found-guilty-of-faking-evidence-in-missing-kid-case-86908-21382287/

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1913175.ece

Just google Goncalo Amaral, theres the usual mix of truth, half truths and speculation

[maldini32]

a few things that strike me as odd from the case.

im a kidnapper, "oh yes, a popular tourist destination" yes we'll get the 4 year old and leave the younger and less recognisable (in years to come) twins alone
if the mccans did accidentaly kill maddie, i expect it to be that they wanted to go out she was making loads of noise and they shook her to death by accident.
Or that they didnt want to be held negligable after leaving the small children in an appartment while they went out cavorting.
If they were involved then going on a campign for 3 years is exactly what they would do to avoid the suspision which is bound to arrive.
After repressing thoughts and living a lie, sooner or later you start to believe that lie, which would make them harder to read via psychologists and the like.

Now im not saying they are involved at all, but would i be surprised if one day they broke down and admitted murder and disposal. Not at all, and every day that goes by without a body being found or maddie being found, makes this case that little bit more likely.

id price it up like this

body never found  1/4
killer/s found 16/1
maddies parents casued the death of her  5/2

[MANTIS01]

Once they started they couldnt stop?[/i]

lol

I do have an interest in a couple who I immediately felt were liars

lolol

There are many cases that make you sick to the stomach when you here them. Do you decide they cant have happened?

What I usually do is take one look at the victim and decide if I think they're telling the truth or not.

What?

He's saying comparing the parents lies about killing their daughter to opening a tube of Pringles is funny.

If you look at a proven liar eg Karen Matthews...after 3 days her mask slipped and she was just standing in the street swigging Tennants out of a can in her pyjamas pulling faces at the camera and you compare it to the heartbreak in the faces of the McCanns every single day for 3 years and you notice a stark difference between fake and earnest. A normal person would see that difference pretty clearly.

[Bongo]

I think you'd be heartbroken if you killed your own child though, whereas Karen Matthews knew where her daughter was.

[MANTIS01]

I think you'd be heartbroken if you killed your own child though, whereas Karen Matthews knew where her daughter was.

Saving yourself from a couple of years in prison for causing the accidental death of your daughter wouldn't really be your absolute priority if you were heartbroken and your little daughter was dead would it? If the conspiracy theory is correct the McCanns would need to be seriously abnormal on so many different levels.

[Bongo]

I think you'd be heartbroken if you killed your own child though, whereas Karen Matthews knew where her daughter was.

Saving yourself from a couple of years in prison for causing the accidental death of your daughter wouldn't really be your absolute priority if you were heartbroken and your little daughter was dead would it? If the conspiracy theory is correct the McCanns would need to be seriously abnormal on so many different levels.

My point was you were comparing 2 unlike situations.

[lazaroonie]

The general theme is that they enjoyed going out without the kids at night.
They came back one night and found her dead in the apartment and then attempted to cover up how negligent they had been.

So in the whole covering it up agenda, where's the margin in doing their damdest towhip up a worldwide media storm on an unprecedented scale?

lets go with the idea that is what happened for a minute. Once the media get a hold of these things they can very quickly spiral out of control. what were they supposed to do, tell everyone to stop ?

in the 1950's there was a serial killer in lanarkshire called Peter Manuel. He actually helped the police in the search for the murderer of one of his victims. He also ws the one who 'found' the murder weapon and handed it to police...

[doubleup]

Heard something about this book again the other day on the Radio.

The case has always fascinated me as it seemed obvious imo that it had something to do with the parents.

Something clicked in my head that the banned book must be somewhere on the internet, and of course 2 minutes later I had an abreviated version (I believe) translated in to English. 5 hours later and it possibly wasnt the most productive day at work but I found it an amazing read.

Wondered if anyone else had read it.

Happy to post the link on here but as its a little controversial I will wait for a mod to okay if anyones requests it.

You have too much time on your hands imo.
 
You spent 5 hours reading a book, that has been translated (possibly badly) and in any case the original was banned by a court presumably for inaccuracies (can't be bothered finding out exactly tbh), about a sad incident that has nothing do to with you.

[kinboshi]

Im not stupid enough to believe everything I read or see on the television.

I think you're selling yourself short there mate.

This is definitely my favourite post in this thread, and possibly many others.

[StuartHopkin]

Heard something about this book again the other day on the Radio.

The case has always fascinated me as it seemed obvious imo that it had something to do with the parents.

Something clicked in my head that the banned book must be somewhere on the internet, and of course 2 minutes later I had an abreviated version (I believe) translated in to English. 5 hours later and it possibly wasnt the most productive day at work but I found it an amazing read.

Wondered if anyone else had read it.

Happy to post the link on here but as its a little controversial I will wait for a mod to okay if anyones requests it.

You have too much time on your hands imo.
 
You spent 5 hours reading a book, that has been translated (possibly badly) and in any case the original was banned by a court presumably for inaccuracies (can't be bothered finding out exactly tbh), about a sad incident that has nothing do to with you.

This thread is proving nothing to me other than how weirdly some people think about things.

I read a book about something I was interested in whilst at work, yes I may have too much time on my hands, yes it has little to do with me, I enjoyed reading it and found it very interesting. Whilst that is true I also found it strange that it had been banned, yet still available on the tinternetz and if it was all truths then they should have been arrested.

On the other hand you have just spent the time posting to tell me that I have too much time on my hands, that you cant be bothered to research what your saying and that it has nothing to do with me.

One of us may have too much time on their hands, but the other doesnt seem to have anything to do with his time.

[jakally]

Heard something about this book again the other day on the Radio.

The case has always fascinated me as it seemed obvious imo that it had something to do with the parents.

Something clicked in my head that the banned book must be somewhere on the internet, and of course 2 minutes later I had an abreviated version (I believe) translated in to English. 5 hours later and it possibly wasnt the most productive day at work but I found it an amazing read.

Wondered if anyone else had read it.

Happy to post the link on here but as its a little controversial I will wait for a mod to okay if anyones requests it.

You have too much time on your hands imo.
 
You spent 5 hours reading a book, that has been translated (possibly badly) and in any case the original was banned by a court presumably for inaccuracies (can't be bothered finding out exactly tbh), about a sad incident that has nothing do to with you.

Most of what we read, watch, discuss etc........ has nothing to do with us.

Except we are people leading similar lives, going to similar places, and it intrigues us why i happens to other people, and not to us.............. until something does happen to us, and then we want to know why everyone is sticking their noses into our business.