Mum's not going to Iceland (or anywhere else)

[TightPaulFolds]

me:-

Another few days and there will be serious implications for import/export of everyday goods.

Most comes by boat as it's cheaper. I believe asparagus is one of the few things that come by plane.

http://www.flightradar24.com/  Interesting to see what's flying.

Sandy

Not just sand but quartz also.

Fruit. Mission ****ed

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/northamptonshire/8627221.stm

I'll see your flightradar and raise you:

http://www.radarvirtuel.com/

Big flight companies challenging ruling to ground aircraft on grounds of safety. Sure will be fun to be a passenger in the ash cloud, after what happened last time

[Rooky9]

BA & KLM CEO's were on test flights today - I think the airlines are realising they need to pressure (maybe challenge is the better word) the authorities now. There just isnt the cash in aviation to stand this much past next weekend. Obviously safety always comes first, but there is always risk. Stopping flights because the risk is unknown (or linking to the completely different scenario of flying through a volcano plume like KLM and BA flights did in the past) isn't acceptable now.

Fingers cross for a combination of test flights having positive results and a change of wind direction to go with it.

[henrik777]

BA & KLM CEO's were on test flights today - I think the airlines are realising they need to pressure (maybe challenge is the better word) the authorities now. There just isnt the cash in aviation to stand this much past next weekend. Obviously safety always comes first, but there is always risk. Stopping flights because the risk is unknown (or linking to the completely different scenario of flying through a volcano plume like KLM and BA flights did in the past) isn't acceptable now.

Fingers cross for a combination of test flights having positive results and a change of wind direction to go with it.

In these modern times there is blame to be had. Trouble is you can't prove blame whilst you can't fly and you can therefore only be proved correct if someone flies and gets hit. That makes the decision maker an easy target.

Woe betide anyone who opens airspace and someone dies.


Maybe a crew and a plane full of passengers will volunteer to be the first to fly a proper flight fully laden.

Sandy

[TightPaulFolds]

BA & KLM CEO's were on test flights today - I think the airlines are realising they need to pressure (maybe challenge is the better word) the authorities now. There just isnt the cash in aviation to stand this much past next weekend. Obviously safety always comes first, but there is always risk. Stopping flights because the risk is unknown (or linking to the completely different scenario of flying through a volcano plume like KLM and BA flights did in the past) isn't acceptable now.

Fingers cross for a combination of test flights having positive results and a change of wind direction to go with it.

In these modern times there is blame to be had. Trouble is you can't prove blame whilst you can't fly and you can therefore only be proved correct if someone flies and gets hit. That makes the decision maker an easy target.

Woe betide anyone who opens airspace and someone dies.


Maybe a crew and a plane full of passengers will volunteer to be the first to fly a proper flight fully laden.

Sandy

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[The-Crow]

Latest radar shows the wind has changed and Scotlands getting the main stream of Ash

[lazaroonie]

looks like i am getting cancelled again if the weather reports are to be believed....

im now just desperate to get home, hell i'll even fly economy....

[gatso]

Most comes by boat as it's cheaper. I believe asparagus is one of the few things that come by plane.

nah, loads of stuff still flown in and out, we used to send a lot of seafood that way a few years ago and it looks like they still do

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8628794.stm?ls

[Longy]

First good news for ages.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8630455.stm

[cdw1111]

As stated BA flew a 747 on a 2hr test flight at various flight levels yesterday,i've just read the preliminary report.

In laymans terms there is nowt wrong with it.

[TightPaulFolds]

First good news for ages.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8630455.stm

Flight to Tenerife: £5
Sandwich on plane: £6
Use of toilet: £1
Week's free bed and board at luxury hotel, paid for by whiingeing irish millionaire: priceless

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8630438.stm

[TightPaulFolds]

As stated BA flew a 747 on a 2hr test flight at various flight levels yesterday,i've just read the preliminary report.

In laymans terms there is nowt wrong with it.

Does that mean if I take a flight through that zone that I will encounter no volcanic ash? If I do encounter a little, will my plane surely be safe?

[cdw1111]

As stated BA flew a 747 on a 2hr test flight at various flight levels yesterday,i've just read the preliminary report.

In laymans terms there is nowt wrong with it.

Does that mean if I take a flight through that zone that I will encounter no volcanic ash? If I do encounter a little, will my plane surely be safe?

This is a poker forum,therefore you must be a gambler,take a punt!

In all seriousness if they say its safe,it is safe.

[TightPaulFolds]

As stated BA flew a 747 on a 2hr test flight at various flight levels yesterday,i've just read the preliminary report.

In laymans terms there is nowt wrong with it.

Does that mean if I take a flight through that zone that I will encounter no volcanic ash? If I do encounter a little, will my plane surely be safe?

This is a poker forum,therefore you must be a gambler,take a punt!

In all seriousness if they say its safe,it is safe.

Yeah poker made a risk-taker out of me

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8629674.stm

"This is an unprecedented situation that is having a huge impact on customers and airlines alike," said BA chief executive Willie Wash.

On Sunday, BA ran a two-and-a-half-hour test flight over the Atlantic to assess any damage caused by the ash.

Mr Walsh said: "The analysis we have done so far, alongside that from other airlines' trial flights, provides fresh evidence that the current blanket restrictions on airspace are unnecessary.

"We believe airlines are best positioned to assess all available information and determine what, if any, risk exists to aircraft, crew and passengers."
 

Need an unbiased objective opinion on whether it's safe to fly or not? Let's ask the guys who are losing £10M/day by not flying...

[TightPaulFolds]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/apr/19/iceland-volcano-airspace-open-forecast

But Adonis said: "The current rule we have, which flows from the manufacturers' own guidance, is any ash, don't fly.

"There is a proper risk and safety regime," he said. "The issue is whether it is appropriate in current circumstances in the light of the findings of the test flights and the observational data." He stressed that for those stranded abroad, European Union airlines were responsible for providing food and accommodation.
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A senior western diplomat has told the Associated Press agency that several Nato F-16 fighter planes were damaged after flying through the ash cloud, with glass-like deposits found inside the engines after patrols over Europe.

"Allied F-16s were flying and they did find glass build-up," one official told Reuters, without saying when the flight took place. "It was one plane. This is a very, very serious matter that in the not too distant future will start having real impact on military capabilities … if the volcanic ashes … issue doesn't disappear."

------This is pretty amazing. Did Willie Wash take this into account when he decided it was ok to put his passengers up in this environment? On the basis that one of their test flights found no problem? Kind of makes you question BA's whole approach to safety vs cost...

[vegaslover]

Frustrating as fuck. Wish virgin would pull their finger out and update on it's site. My booking for tomorrow shows active. My expedia account shows flight as due to depart an hour before schedule!!!
Need to know so can rearrange flights/hotel/taxi/annual leave