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« Reply #2130 on: June 22, 2010, 10:46:26 PM »

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« Reply #2131 on: June 22, 2010, 11:03:26 PM »

I thought sociopath was politically correct for psychopath?


They're on the same scale of mental disorder

The key feature is lack of empathy

I think the main difference comes down to ithat the sociopath will do what benefits them and not consider how it will affect others even if it's wrong
The psychopath will actively seek out and take pleasure from doing the anti-social/wrong thing


When Blatch said that he thought joking about losing the money was the best way to reassure people he hadn't done so, it suggests that he doesn't actively seek out that behaviour  -  the fact that he so convincingly pulled off the act of deceiving people suggests the lack of empathy.

i.e. all in all suggests sociopath not psychopath
Sorry, this is soo wrong. Please don't say you got this from wiki.

I doubt it - Jon's a psychology graduate

Hope he's paid his loans back.

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The general definition of the sociopath I got from a study of con artists - it's a common trait
Apart from violence being a key feature I had to double check the exact status of psychopath so I did look at Wiki* for that, obviously if you've been formally trained in psychiatry then I can only apologise

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« Reply #2132 on: June 22, 2010, 11:08:12 PM »

a few weeks back neil gave me £11 and said he now collects dee tee dee online rakeback for players and pays them out, does he collect for anyone else and do dtd still pay him monthly
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« Reply #2133 on: June 22, 2010, 11:19:26 PM »

a few weeks back neil gave me £11 and said he now collects dee tee dee online rakeback for players and pays them out, does he collect for anyone else and do dtd still pay him monthly

Oooh I remember hearing something about this. Would email someone at DTD, think James or Alex.
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« Reply #2134 on: June 22, 2010, 11:23:01 PM »

can we make a private tournament on stars where the winner gets a "i staked blatch and all i got was this lousy tshirt" tshirt
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« Reply #2135 on: June 22, 2010, 11:30:12 PM »

can we make a private tournament on stars where the winner gets a "i staked blatch and all i got was this lousy tshirt" tshirt

no as you would grim me the t-shirt when i won
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« Reply #2136 on: June 22, 2010, 11:33:09 PM »

Has to be done

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« Reply #2137 on: June 22, 2010, 11:37:12 PM »

2 weeks back (or sometime in june) i gave neil £1000 and said can you pay this to a friend when you see him which he played on the cash table with (we was in leicester gala) neil did give the money back a few days later by going to the cash desk and withdrawing it on his debit card, meaning hes got plenty in that account............. SKINT i dont think so
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« Reply #2138 on: June 22, 2010, 11:38:22 PM »

2 weeks back (or sometime in june) i gave neil £1000 and said can you pay this to a friend when you see him which he played on the cash table with (we was in leicester gala) neil did give the money back a few days later by going to the cash desk and withdrawing it on his debit card, meaning he had plenty in that account at that point

not saying your conclusion is necessarily wrong, just that the logic you've used to arrive at it is
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« Reply #2139 on: June 22, 2010, 11:45:09 PM »

a few weeks back neil gave me £11 and said he now collects dee tee dee online rakeback for players and pays them out, does he collect for anyone else and do dtd still pay him monthly

What? Why? Really?

Am I reading this right?

He pays out cash rakeback from DTDOnline?

I'm sorry, I don't understand why and what for?Huh???
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« Reply #2140 on: June 22, 2010, 11:46:02 PM »

Did Matt Damon grim someone?

Pretty sure he paid Judge Marinacci back.

hahahaha.
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« Reply #2141 on: June 22, 2010, 11:49:39 PM »

Did Matt Damon grim someone?

Pretty sure he paid Judge Marinacci back.

hahahaha.

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« Reply #2142 on: June 23, 2010, 04:33:32 AM »

a few weeks back neil gave me £11 and said he now collects dee tee dee online rakeback for players and pays them out, does he collect for anyone else and do dtd still pay him monthly

What? Why? Really?

Am I reading this right?

He pays out cash rakeback from DTDOnline?

I'm sorry, I don't understand why and what for?Huh???
Theres some sort of system where u can link accounts to a main and they eligable to create extra rakeback for the main account which he can presumably do what he wants with. Expect its something to do with this.
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« Reply #2143 on: June 23, 2010, 05:24:12 AM »

Having to read this thread in case anything important/relevant gets posted. Must say I'm surprised at some of the people making pathetic jokes, can these people not go hang out somewhere else?
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« Reply #2144 on: June 23, 2010, 07:07:57 AM »

Have the police been informed?

"Officer, I've been the victim of theft, fraud and deception, somebody has stolen my money"

"Deary me sir, how did that happen"

"Well there's this group of us, a few dozen and we all like a bit of a gamble and some of us knew this bloke who also liked a gamble but worse than us, he was a mad gambler and chucked fifty pound notes around, buying everyone drinks and lapdances but he did also seem to be a bit skint at times like he couldn't handle his money, wanted staking for $5 games after winning £30k and often borrowed money off others in the group making excuses like nigerians had emptied his bank account.  He said he was a top pro punter but he wore the same shirt for two years, drove a cheap old fiesta, had an IVA for not being able to pay his credit cards and also signed on the dole for his giro and rent money.  Anyway, we all got together and gave him about £80k as he said he would gamble it for us and turn it into £160k but do you know what, he didn't!  We didn't sign anything like specific terms or anything, we just thought he could double our money gambling because he said so, but we reckon he lost some and spent some and might even still have some - can you arrest him please officer?"

"No sir, have you considered calling GamCare or the samaritans for advice, you might even want to club together some more and take him to a civil law court as this is clearly a civil matter between friends and people who don't really know each other who have now fell out, but that will cost you many thousands in solictors fees and you will lose annonymity doing that and you will be laughed at and pointed at in the civil law court by anyone watching as you're gradually picked to pieces by someone pointing out all the facts you knew collectively but chose to ignore behind the prospect of making some quick money by gambling."

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