Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading

[JustinTime]

To me it sound like he is a very ill man and needs help as soon possible,
 
in no way am i sticking up for him but imo he is ILL and needs help he has a gambling problem and could not stop,  i don't think for 1 min he has stole your money or has it under his bed  

i know a lot of you arnt going to like this but imo he is ILL

OK I'm a rAndom and have read the whole thread, followed the links, FB, utube, other threads. I'm happy to lurk but this post does make me seethe.

Neil, you are not an ill person - you are a criminal, a con artist, a wannabe. Pedophiles use the same excuses as you, in the hope of a sympathetic ear. No doctor or GA can cure you. You are NOT ill. You are only sorry you've been caught and your fantasy lifestyle has ended. You will prolong others suffering by clutching this nettle. Only you can stop those with misguided loyalties from being sucked further into your web of lies and deceit. You've used them to to give credence to your shop lifting spree. Stop using them further. Do the right thing, hand yourself into the police.

[Hairydude]

Families is where our nation finds hope; where wings take dream

[Numpty Dumpty]

I have just got to the end of reading this - want to say my piece and then will stop looking at the thread, as most of what is now being written is complete drivel. I apologise to anyone who thinks this post is as bad as the rest.

I, for one, feel absolutely gutted. I did lose money in this, but that is not the point at all. I regarded Neil as a true friend and have got on really well with him the last 3 years. I am shocked that he was capable of doing this, I really thought he was a better person. A few months ago I told myself that I would only ever be involved in staking/lending money to a very small group of people who I had definate good reason to trust - not because i had been scammed in the past, but more that I had twice had trouble getting money back from people who I thought didn't treat me with the same respect that I did them. Unfortunately I counted Neil amongst the group that I trusted unquestioningly. I definately feel I have learnt a life lesson and will not be so naive in future.  

I feel really bad for anyone who has lost money in this, but more so I feel bad for anyone who counted Neil as a true friend - none more so than George and Cos. I spoke to them both yesterday and lost money was hardly mentioned - they are completely devastated by what has happened and are both facing up to it amazingly well. If I see Neil again I am not sure I would be able to stay in the same room - I definately would not be able to talk to him. The fact that these two have managed to keep lines of communication open with him and want to help him is commendable. Anyone who suggests otherwise, or even dares to suggest they may share some culpability, is completely and utterly out of order.

I personally have used the staking part of the forum a fair amount. I will not be doing so in future, and would hope that the mods at least think about shutting it down. Anyone who is extremely careful using it should be fine, but I feel that anyone who is naive runs a large risk using it, and maybe the best way to protect everyone would be to close it down. This is a real shame though, as it certainly can be a great idea when used for the correct motives.

On a more positive note, I still have extremely positive feelings about the forum in general. I have met many people at events who previously had been just screen names to me and the vast majority of the time it has been an absolute pleasure.

[Dubai]

BAN THESE PEOPLE WHO HAVE JUST JOINED POSTING

[iwillwinlots]

To me it sound like he is a very ill man and needs help as soon possible,
 
in no way am i sticking up for him but imo he is ILL and needs help he has a gambling problem and could not stop,  i don't think for 1 min he has stole your money or has it under his bed  

i know a lot of you arnt going to like this but imo he is ILL

OK I'm a rAndom and have read the whole thread, followed the links, FB, utube, other threads. I'm happy to lurk but this post does make me seethe.

Neil, you are not an ill person - you are a criminal, a con artist, a wannabe. Pedophiles use the same excuses as you, in the hope of a sympathetic ear. No doctor or GA can cure you. You are NOT ill. You are only sorry you've been caught and your fantasy lifestyle has ended. You will prolong others suffering by clutching this nettle. Only you can stop those with misguided loyalties from being sucked further into your web of lies and deceit. You've used them to to give credence to your shop lifting spree. Stop using them further. Do the right thing, hang yourself into the police.

[kinboshi]

I have just got to the end of reading this - want to say my piece and then will stop looking at the thread, as most of what is now being written is complete drivel. I apologise to anyone who thinks this post is as bad as the rest.

I, for one, feel absolutely gutted. I did lose money in this, but that is not the point at all. I regarded Neil as a true friend and have got on really well with him the last 3 years. I am shocked that he was capable of doing this, I really thought he was a better person. A few months ago I told myself that I would only ever be involved in staking/lending money to a very small group of people who I had definate good reason to trust - not because i had been scammed in the past, but more that I had twice had trouble getting money back from people who I thought didn't treat me with the same respect that I did them. Unfortunately I counted Neil amongst the group that I trusted unquestioningly. I definately feel I have learnt a life lesson and will not be so naive in future. 

I feel really bad for anyone who has lost money in this, but more so I feel bad for anyone who counted Neil as a true friend - none more so than George and Cos. I spoke to them both yesterday and lost money was hardly mentioned - they are completely devastated by what has happened and are both facing up to it amazingly well. If I see Neil again I am not sure I would be able to stay in the same room - I definately would not be able to talk to him. The fact that these two have managed to keep lines of communication open with him and want to help him is commendable. Anyone who suggests otherwise, or even dares to suggest they may share some culpability, is completely and utterly out of order.

I personally have used the staking part of the forum a fair amount. I will not be doing so in future, and would hope that the mods at least think about shutting it down. Anyone who is extremely careful using it should be fine, but I feel that anyone who is naive runs a large risk using it, and maybe the best way to protect everyone would be to close it down. This is a real shame though, as it certainly can be a great idea when used for the correct motives.

On a more positive note, I still have extremely positive feelings about the forum in general. I have met many people at events who previously had been just screen names to me and the vast majority of the time it has been an absolute pleasure.

Great post, and sums up my sentiments pretty much perfectly.

Although I think I'd be less pleasant than you towards Neil if I was in the same room with him again.

[treefella]

beggars belief !! just how many people on here want to give him the benefit of the doubt about what he has actually done.
THE MANS STOLEN A LOAD OF MONEY FROM SCORES OF PEOPLE . hes a contrived fraud who has conned , lied and cheated plenty of people out of their money,
whether it be by joining his experimental scheme so he could launder the money for his own use .
or duping them into believing he was going to america to play wsop events
or by phantom freeroll staking players who were stupid enough to believe he would pay their entry for poker events  when he met up with them later because he had gained their trust and 'Blatch was such a nice guy pro betfair trader "
He's been seen parading around dtd with huge wads of cash that now obviously was not his.Sat at cash games way beyond his capabilities or roll.
Spending it in lapdance bars ,Casino's spinning up on roulette tables , florida trips  and leicester racetrack .  

Ye lets help him some more the guy obv has had it hard !
He created this mess let him suffer the consequences imo

[MANTIS01]

That is great work flops. Maybe his ego does suffer with the loss in the Barcelona/Shakhtar game and he wants to cover his failings. But creaming the net profit in the Man Utd/Arsenal game straight after shows his true intentions. Very early in the season and the skimming and the false reporting has already begun. Anybody thinking ahhhh he just wanted to win it back, well he won it back then and there. There is no period of truth after that close call as all the next matches are skimmed when possible.

[kinboshi]

That is great work flops. Maybe his ego does suffer with the loss in the Barcelona/Shakhtar game and he wants to cover his failings. But creaming the net profit in the Man Utd/Arsenal game straight after shows his true intentions. Very early in the season and the skimming and the false reporting has already begun. Anybody thinking ahhhh he just wanted to win it back, well he won it back then and there. There is no period of truth after that close call as all the next matches are skimmed when possible.

It's clear to me his intentions were to abuse the staking money from the start.  I think maybe his plan was to win enough to cover his tracks and return the money (or at least most of it) to the investors, but he ballsed that up and then he was past the point of no return.  He was lying before it all started.

[The Camel]

The whole community owes Chris a debt of gratitude.

Excellent work.

For Neil to come on and post what even more lies while Chris was busy exposing the truth is just breathtaking.

[Micko]

Superb work Floppy!!

Reading through that makes me sick the way he replied to investors and trying to get more investments while he was stealing the money is just ridiculous also the cheek to make jokes about grimming while he WAS just shows the ***** he really is.

But i def think he must have done this before or the like of it theres no way this is a one off its too calculating- Surely someone that knew him well has heard rumours or something, Ive been around poker rooms a long time and you always pretty much know the guys you could lend money to and could trust.

But possibly he just done a good job of fooling everyone.

[OhMy]

Baron you asked me a question, which I answered, but you didn't show me the same courtesy...

About knowing Blatch? Just curious.

Some recommendations about what to do from randoms with hardly any posts and who haven't read the thread or invested are tilting me. The ones that suggest support/leniency even more so. I don't understand how anyone who has read the whole thread can take this line. (Except Blatch's very closest mates such as George)

Now George choosing to take his own line with Blatch is up to him (and Kudos to him for his stance) but I just dont know if many on here, who have basically been conned by a scumbag, could handle one of Blatch's friends on here advising leniency. I'm not saying that's what you are but if you could say that isn't the case I'd be less likely to tilt my bollocks off at your posts.

No offence intended.

Yes I know Neil and yes I have spoken to him over the last couple of days. I don't think any of my comments have shown leniency or encouraged it. My intentions have been to be objective and unbiased. There is a lot of emotion flying around (understandably). I think I have been successful in doing that with anything I have written. No offence taken.

Hmmm. I'm not really sure you are being unbiased though. You haven't really posted on here before this. I take it you werent staking him either. And you are on good enough terms with him to have spoken to him a bit since this kicked off. Forgive me if I take absolutely nothing from what you say in his defence about just paying the funds back being "punishment enough" and advising people he robbed not to cut him loose etc etc etc.

In fact I find it quite insulting that less than 72 hours since the admission of theft by Neil that he has someone on here basically trying to keep him out of jail.

Wrong assumption again. But then you don't know me. You just wanna throw out wild accusations. Very insightful of you. Good read!

[JustinTime]

It's been said the police have been informed (in really big letters), but how many have complained to them? I hope you organise yourselves (40 of you?) maybe initially appoint a spokesperson, not one of his loyal friends. Or, all make complaints separately - the more of you complaining - the more notice will be taken. Don't be put off by thinking it's already been done, or the police wont be interested, or wont understand Betfair (sic). They will. Computer forensics will be involved, a large paper trail has been left, though I'm sure Blatchly will be removing as much evidence as possible. But you must keep txt messages, emails, answer phone msgs, posts\threads etc. a 100k+ fraud is a big fish in the sense of police statistics. 100k fraud is worth more to them in time and money than a hundred 1k scams.

[titaniumbean]

Nofopshomer you're  a legend. Thanking you.


Numpty speaks alot of sense, amazed to see your sense of humour still Skol.

[GreekStein]

Big thanks and well done to Flops for all the hard work he's doing.

Whilst I think it's probably a good idea to get rid of the staking boards, after a few people have slagged blonde off, I still think it's a great place, with a great community.

P.s. James Keys is definitely my hero.