Discussions about: Staking - Betfair Football Trading

[Murph1984]

Seems bit big job for them- Ice Man and Hollywood should be able to handle it tho

Weren't you complaining earlier today and yesterday about new members clogging the thread up by posting nonsense and random bs?

You might want to take a bit of notice of that yourself?

[Dubai]

Well the thread has been ridiculous for pages. Might as well let NoFlops post and lock it for everyone else

[GreekStein]

Seems bit big job for them- Ice Man and Hollywood should be able to handle it tho

Sounds like a job for Greekstein and Dubai, but who's the wing man?

Only skimming but if I get to be partners with Dubai I'm in.

[Shogun112]

Am I right in saying that an IVA is a sort of personal bankrupcy of some kind, where someone may have racked up a load of debt, credit cards, mortgage, all sorts, and then some dept manages that debt at like 5p in the pound over 5 years, and then after 5 years, its all written off and then back to normal...  In which case the people who he went into debt with lose out big style, and, he wins big by paying a very small fraction of the debt back...

The IVA seems to be less than 5 years ago, so for the whole of the 5 years, you would expect the person spends 5 years potless paying back them debts and living to a very tight budget..  It seems here that he has not been living the life expected of someone in an IVA, but the complete opposite...   Every step of the way someone is being conned... Previous debtors... IVA manager...  And then onto the next whoever believes.. To me, its all too easy to keep making debt and keep getting away with it, and at some point, someone needs to do something to make it all stop forever.

So sorry that this fraudster has done this to all involved, but, even if he turns up with a bucket full of gold to pay everybody that he has scammed back, I would never trust him.

Also, why would anybody that genuinley lost money gambling for a syndicate, want to pay everybody back.  Surely a loss is a loss, you expect some.  But, if he feels he has to pay everybody back, he is doing it through guilt, and it appears that there is a hell of a lot of stuff to be guilty about, be it apparent skimming or misreporting profits and losses...  And a lot more it seems...

He is never going to stop..!!

[bobAlike]

The first and only time I met Blatch was at Cov a few weeks ago. Seemed agitated when a move he tried to pull on me failed deep into the ME.
Makes sense now.  

Sorry to all that have lost their investment in this so called staking venture.

I'm sure he'll get his comeuppance when the time is right.  

[Murph1984]

Ive only just caught up fully with this thread after being away on holiday for a couple of days, but feel i should probably post something as I was one of the people being backed for live comps by Blatch.

Obviously there isnt much that hasnt been said about the bloke. Known him for a couple of years and just didnt really think he had this kind of thing in him, to the point of being involved in the Vegas trip with him later on in the year.

Ive seen a few mention of people being upset that it appears that some of the bf money was being used for staking but obvioulsy none of the 'stable' were aware of this at any point.

As with most of the others being staked, the majority of the time i put myself in to the comp and collected money next time i saw him if i didnt cash, although sometimes when i asked for money he owed he would just say 'no you pay me when you take this one down etc etc'. Obviously pretty frustarting as i only took on the deal to keep my tourny and cash roll seperate.

Ive lost a few quid through this from money he owes me but it could have been worse as he asked me to buy the rest of the stable into the DTD 300 last month. This would have cost me ~£1500 which i kind of made my excuses to get out of. He claimed that this money would be repaid at the end of the month as he was busto and was waiting for the money that 'some Nigerian had stole from his bank account to be repaid. A story that me and Cos found laughable at the time, but only because we presumed he was skint from having money tied up in his new house and doing money at poker himself, therfore didnt want anyone to see him as losing his balla tag. Another example of him continuing with lies and methods to try and get hold of more money by just hoping one of us had a big bink and get him out of it with little or no intention of ever paying us the stake back.

Shitty that people have lost so much on this and it looks like the Vegas trip so many of us have been looking forward to is prob gonna have to be cancelled / re-arranged.

Hopefully some sort of justice will come of this but I think its more the fact of feeling so let down by somebody a lot of people thought was a freind that is worse than the cash.

Mitch.

Last month's? That was over 6 weeks ago right?

The Nigerian story didn't set the alarm bells ringing?

[JustinTime]

I would be genuinely staggered if any of the other investors accepted any of this offer.

I did not spend between 16 and 18 hours yesterday going through the records to be fobbed off by a vague offer of repayment when Blatch has ignored all questions retaining to a) suspicious trades out of the account amounting to over £20,000 b) the WSOP stakeage which has disappeared within the last couple of weeks and c) monies that have not been traded out of the account yet still remain missing (this figure appears to be at least £29,000).

Blatch offers no proof of a payment plan, and not even evidence that any of his family know what is going on or an independent party who with verify that what he saying is the truth. The investors, such as myself were naive enough before to accept random pieces of information before, anyone who wishes to do so again and allow Blatch to set the rules once more is absolutely crazy. He is attempting to set the rules of how people are to be paid back when he lied, cheated and stole for months on end, and if he had been able to fully get away with it, there is no doubt in my mind he would've tried to.

Even if everyone else accepted his offer (which I very much doubt) I will not unless he fully complies with the above three points I made earlier and makes a full confession to what actually happened. He must also provide full records of ALL Betfair accounts, explain multiple suspicious bets and provide proof as to where these tens of thousands of pounds went, everything must be accounted for. Furthermore, he should also turn himself in to the police. Only then would I believe that he is genuinely sorry.

If Blatch wants to pay people back outside of criminal charges being brought, then that is great, but I have personally written off my investment and doubt I will ever get the money.

Well said.

[iwillwinlots]

yeah the nigerian scam shud of been mentioned.............

[Haviton]

I may have skipped a few pages.

The offer of 30 days to wait is typical of a scam. he will keep you all at bay. You know its going to take this long so wont hound him. Look at how he set up a plan when he said that what would happen if he fell asleep, AND HE DID.

I know this may sound pathetic but have any of you thought of writing to his mother? He claims he has told her so you wont be telling her anything more he doesnt know and if she DOESNT know, she might pull the reddies up for him.

If there was a market on BF, I would bet 1.06 that 30 days later, nothing will happen. Sorry but this is how I see it.

Again, I do hope you get your money back.

[lurker22222]

The guy is still scamming you all. It's more of the same. One of you needs to sit down with him face to face, ask him to show you his online
bank accounts, bank statements, credit card statements, Betfair accounts and any other accounts he has. If he's willing to do that and answer
questions about why he was joking about grimming all the time and transferring funds from the trading account. I'm 100% sure he wouldn't
do this but it would prove he's a normal human being if he did.

In other words, I think it needs to be established he isn't a sociopathic conman before you even consider handing over your bank details
(although Blatch if he was genuine would  understand that at this point in time a bank draft or cheque is a better option for repayment).

One of you arrange a friendly meeting with Blatch and a family member of his who could speak for Batch regarding repayment.

[adammarkpreston]

1.06 ill have my full bank on that please

more like 1.01

[sofa----king]

I may have skipped a few pages.

The offer of 30 days to wait is typical of a scam. he will keep you all at bay. You know its going to take this long so wont hound him. Look at how he set up a plan when he said that what would happen if he fell asleep, AND HE DID.

I know this may sound pathetic but have any of you thought of writing to his mother? He claims he has told her so you wont be telling her anything more he doesnt know and if she DOESNT know, she might pull the reddies up for him.

If there was a market on BF, I would bet 1.06 that 30 days later, nothing will happen. Sorry but this is how I see it.

Again, I do hope you get your money back.

I THOUGHT THE GUYS COULD DO THIS BUT IF HE IS A REAL PRO HE WOULD HAVE ALREADY WARNED HIS FAMILLY OF THIS HAPPENING AND TOLD THEM ''you watch this how'' EVERYONE JUMPS ON ME,TO HOUND JUST COZ I FELL ASLEEP ECT,,,
he would have spun all his familly a load of lies hopping that they would back him and say .,.,ahhhh luv you tried your best with them all...it was all ok when you were winning,,then a bit of ba luck,,,and now all turncoats.,.,.,i bet 100000-1 on hes already spun them a line or 2.,.,

[Delboy]

Personally I couldn't take it from his family myself. If you don't actually need the dough, why ruin someone else's life who now has to pay for Neil's crimes? If you do need the cash, then go to the police. If you go to the police and say you have been the victim of a fraud then at least you are getting your money back legally and without having to deal direct with Neil.

This

We have no idea of the resources available to his parents, siblings etc. We do know they don't deserve to be in debt for the rest of their lives because of Blatches mess

[George2Loose]

Floppy's post is excellent. For me it's not about the money but a full and frank explanation about exactly what happened. He doesn't just have betfair accounts though so I'm pretty sure we will never ever know what went on in his head before, during and after this.

[titaniumbean]

Floppy's post is excellent. For me it's not about the money but a full and frank explanation about exactly what happened. He doesn't just have betfair accounts though so I'm pretty sure we will never ever know what went on in his head before, during and after this.

yeah this. flops rules.