ronnie`s latest 147

[titaniumbean]

Hadn't seen this before  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_MTB6SmKew


He's just so good.

[EvilPie]

I think what Baron is saying is that there is a spectrum to the difficulty/atheleticness of different sports, for example:

Boxing>>>>>>>rugby>>>>>>>football>>>>>>>>>tennis>>>>>>>arm wrestling>>>>>>>>>snooker>>>>>>>>darts>>>>>>>>>>scratching your arse>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>poker

But what Guy is saying is that the difference between snooker and darts, relative to this spectrum, is marginal

Boxing>>>>>>>rugby>>>>>>>football>>>>>>>>>tennis>>>>>>>arm wrestling>>>>>>>>>snooker/darts>>>>>>>>>>scratching your arse>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>poker

Which I happen to agree with.

All the other sports are rough guesses, I might be wrong and footy might be tougher than rugger etc

fyp

Jeez that took some finding.

[Moskvich]

I would have thought Snooker, with it's considerable strategic elements, requires a lot more concentration endurance than darts.

Obesity and difficulty with concentration endurance are not unrelated, thusly there are not many snooker players at the top level who aren't physically fit.

I'm prepared to accept Snooker as a sport. Darts is a defo just a game, (unless one of those big bastards is in the same room as me, I don't want sat on)

Also a big difference in that in snooker (as in football/tennis/badminton/etc etc) you get to affect the situation faced by your opponent, whereas in darts you don't - your opponent just gets a go. Obviously they might be affected by your scoring, as they might in, say, ski-racing or something, but darts definitely lacks a major element of the direct competition associated with most of what I'd think of as proper sports.

[gatso]

Also a big difference in that in snooker (as in football/tennis/badminton/etc etc) you get to affect the situation faced by your opponent, whereas in darts you don't - your opponent just gets a go. Obviously they might be affected by your scoring, as they might in, say, ski-racing or something, but darts definitely lacks a major element of the direct competition associated with most of what I'd think of as proper sports.

by that definition you're dismissing all athletics field events, all track events run in lanes, swimming, archery, shooting, rowing, weightlifting, modern pentathlon, gymnastics, trampolining and all equestrian events. you've just decimated the summer olympics

[thetank]

Also a big difference in that in snooker (as in football/tennis/badminton/etc etc) you get to affect the situation faced by your opponent, whereas in darts you don't - your opponent just gets a go. Obviously they might be affected by your scoring, as they might in, say, ski-racing or something, but darts definitely lacks a major element of the direct competition associated with most of what I'd think of as proper sports.

by that definition you're dismissing all athletics field events, all track events run in lanes, swimming, archery, shooting, rowing, weightlifting, modern pentathlon, gymnastics, trampolining and all equestrian events. you've just decimated the summer olympics

Moskvich's post said that the lack of direct competition is a factor. Most of what

Also a big difference in that in snooker (as in football/tennis/badminton/etc etc) you get to affect the situation faced by your opponent, whereas in darts you don't - your opponent just gets a go. Obviously they might be affected by your scoring, as they might in, say, ski-racing or something, but darts definitely lacks a major element of the direct competition associated with most of what I'd think of as proper sports.

by that definition you're dismissing all athletics field events, all track events run in lanes, swimming, archery, shooting, rowing, weightlifting, modern pentathlon, gymnastics, trampolining and all equestrian events. you've just decimated the summer olympics

By what definition? Plz highlight

[gatso]

not getting to affect the situation faced by your opponent, your opponent just gets a go (though sometimes that go is at the same time as yours). that definition

just realised it also gets rid of synchronised swimming so I'm all for it. moskvich for olympic sports selecting czar

[Moskvich]

Also a big difference in that in snooker (as in football/tennis/badminton/etc etc) you get to affect the situation faced by your opponent, whereas in darts you don't - your opponent just gets a go. Obviously they might be affected by your scoring, as they might in, say, ski-racing or something, but darts definitely lacks a major element of the direct competition associated with most of what I'd think of as proper sports.

by that definition you're dismissing all athletics field events, all track events run in lanes, swimming, archery, shooting, rowing, weightlifting, modern pentathlon, gymnastics, trampolining and all equestrian events. you've just decimated the summer olympics

Yeah pretty much. But then it is called the Olympic Games...

Obviously there's a load of overlap between what we consider sports and games, and I'm not really going to try and argue a conclusive case that snooker is a sport and darts is a game. All I was really saying is that if you're trying to class them as a sport or not a sport then you can differentiate between them in aspects other than simply the required physical skill and/or number of pints needed to hit peak performance.

That said, I personally would prefer to say that the events you list are examples of sporting events or activities rather than genuine sports (with an invisible big 'S'). (That's apart from the modern pentathlon of course, which is in its own category, being 20% sport and 80% random competitive athletic activity).

Actually, for what it's worth, I don't really think any actual sports, by my arrogant personal definition, should be in the Olympics anyway. Pretty sure it's supposed to be about 'faster higher stronger', not 'best able to manipulate a shuttlecock within the confines of an artificial set of rules drawn up by some people who were no good at any other sports so decided to play badminton instead'.

[Moskvich]

not getting to affect the situation faced by your opponent, your opponent just gets a go (though sometimes that go is at the same time as yours). that definition

just realised it also gets rid of synchronised swimming so I'm all for it. moskvich for olympic sports selecting czar

Well, am not sure we agree on the reasoning, but yes, obviously it's got to go by any criteria. Thanks for your support.

[gatso]

moskvich for olympic sports selecting czar

+1

[Cf]

Snooker = a sport.

Darts = a game.

Source: wikipedia!!

Seems obvious to me tho. Snooker requires you to be physically fit and is competitive in the sense you're playing against another player. It's also a game that requires a lot of skill. Darts doesn't require the same level of fitness and is just two people taking turns to throw darts at a board. I'm not denying that to get good at darts requires skill but it's not in the same league.

Calling darts a sport is a bit like trying to call Counter-Strike a sport because there's professional leagues for it.

[RioRodent]

Snooker = a sport.

Darts = a game.

Source: wikipedia!!

Seems obvious to me tho. Snooker requires you to be physically fit and is competitive in the sense you're playing against another player. It's also a game that requires a lot of skill. Darts doesn't require the same level of fitness and is just two people taking turns to throw darts at a board. I'm not denying that to get good at darts requires skill but it's not in the same league.

Calling darts a sport is a bit like trying to call Counter-Strike a sport because there's professional leagues for it.

Is Archery a sport or a game?

[thetank]

Been thinking about this, here's my definition for what constitutes a sport.

It needs to be at least 100 years old, you need some method of quantifying who the best is at it, and the last 5 world champions (or at least two from the team if it's a team activity) need to be able to touch their toes.

Fulfill all those criteria and you're a sport. Congrats

[henrik777]

Snooker = a sport.

Darts = a game.

Source: wikipedia!!

Seems obvious to me tho. Snooker requires you to be physically fit and is competitive in the sense you're playing against another player. It's also a game that requires a lot of skill. Darts doesn't require the same level of fitness and is just two people taking turns to throw darts at a board. I'm not denying that to get good at darts requires skill but it's not in the same league.

Calling darts a sport is a bit like trying to call Counter-Strike a sport because there's professional leagues for it.

Bill Werbeniuk was world number 8 and reached the quarters at the world champs 4 times. I very much doubt he was physically fit in anyones language.

Sandy

[ChipRich]

genius

[Scottish Dave]

Cant be arsed going into it but I just don't rate it. Just as I dont compare the winner of the 25 metre handgun shooting gold medal (or whatever the event is) at the olympics with Usain Bolt's WR 200m run. It's not even close imo.

Not all "sports" are equal - I just find the comparison to Phil Taylor pretty funny.

if you reread his post you will see that he doesn't say the sports are equal, he says if Ronnie's commitment level matched Taylors.

Taylor practices for 8 hours a day every day for 20 years! His desire and passion to win and be successful is far greater than any other sports person on the planet!

Ronnie's doesn't bother practicing, and doesn't care if he wins or hits centuries or 147's

This was the comparison that was made about the two personalities