Prose from a Poshboy

[Mitch]

Me and Alex have already spoke about this privatley, but my views;

Obviously, the beauty of a cash game is you can come and go when you like, and a big part of being succesful is knowing when to leave etc.

Theres is absolutley no problem leaving a game because you want to book a win. Give X amount notice and leave, but go home, sit in the bar etc.

I think its bad form to rat-hole the cash and move down stakes when the game you were previously in is still running.

I know you say the guy who u won the majority of the money off had left, but what about if he coolered another guy at the table to get it in the first place before stacking off to you, then you just move down and he has no chance of getting it back.

I know a lot of people will just say 'fuck it, its your money' etc etc, but imo, seeing ppl doing this is one of the most tillting things from a professional perspective.

Im sure if the boot was on the other foot and you were the one who had lost the cash you would be against it aswell.

[GreekStein]

Kinda agree with mitch now actually. 

[Mitch]

Kinda agree with mitch now actually. 

/life

[SuuPRlim]

I gotta say im with Mitch on this one.

Its pretty stnd for people to tighten up when they are ahead a decent chunk for a night, and leave earlier than usual, but you should be leaving to leave, not going to the 50/1 game.

I think one of the things of playing live full time is you gotta be a bit clever socially, not piss people off, even iff you think something is completely fine, if you think that it risks looking badly on you or annoying people you play with then you should prolly not do it.

You need to get action live - if people think your a nit/you're not gonna give any action back they aren't gonna play with you and that's clearly bad for business.

I dont blame you at all though - just think its one of those experience things

[Whollyflush]

booking wins is counter-inituitive.

If your at a table where you don't have an edge (unlikely live) or have had 10 losing sessions in a row and your not yet able to deal with more big swings i can just about understand that. Even if you don't have much of an edge it will be good experience playing deep and getting comfortable with it ASAP, because if you master it quickly it'll be very lucrative. Its more important to sacrifice short-term gains than long-term ones.

[kinboshi]

Me and Alex have already spoke about this privatley, but my views;

Obviously, the beauty of a cash game is you can come and go when you like, and a big part of being succesful is knowing when to leave etc.

Theres is absolutley no problem leaving a game because you want to book a win. Give X amount notice and leave, but go home, sit in the bar etc.

I think its bad form to rat-hole the cash and move down stakes when the game you were previously in is still running.

I know you say the guy who u won the majority of the money off had left, but what about if he coolered another guy at the table to get it in the first place before stacking off to you, then you just move down and he has no chance of getting it back.

I know a lot of people will just say 'fuck it, its your money' etc etc, but imo, seeing ppl doing this is one of the most tillting things from a professional perspective.

Im sure if the boot was on the other foot and you were the one who had lost the cash you would be against it aswell.

But when someone cleans you out on the 1/2 (or .50/1) table and then quickly moves to a bigger table that's perfectly OK?

[smashedagain]

Me and Alex have already spoke about this privatley, but my views;

Obviously, the beauty of a cash game is you can come and go when you like, and a big part of being succesful is knowing when to leave etc.

Theres is absolutley no problem leaving a game because you want to book a win. Give X amount notice and leave, but go home, sit in the bar etc.

I think its bad form to rat-hole the cash and move down stakes when the game you were previously in is still running.

I know you say the guy who u won the majority of the money off had left, but what about if he coolered another guy at the table to get it in the first place before stacking off to you, then you just move down and he has no chance of getting it back.

I know a lot of people will just say 'fuck it, its your money' etc etc, but imo, seeing ppl doing this is one of the most tillting things from a professional perspective.

Im sure if the boot was on the other foot and you were the one who had lost the cash you would be against it aswell.

But when someone cleans you out on the 1/2 (or .50/1) table and then quickly moves to a bigger table that's perfectly OK?

stange as it seems that has always seemed to be the case. leaves a more bitter taste  coz moving down means that the cash he wins is in his sky rocket but if he is moving up then go play there too if you want it

[kinboshi]

Me and Alex have already spoke about this privatley, but my views;

Obviously, the beauty of a cash game is you can come and go when you like, and a big part of being succesful is knowing when to leave etc.

Theres is absolutley no problem leaving a game because you want to book a win. Give X amount notice and leave, but go home, sit in the bar etc.

I think its bad form to rat-hole the cash and move down stakes when the game you were previously in is still running.

I know you say the guy who u won the majority of the money off had left, but what about if he coolered another guy at the table to get it in the first place before stacking off to you, then you just move down and he has no chance of getting it back.

I know a lot of people will just say 'fuck it, its your money' etc etc, but imo, seeing ppl doing this is one of the most tillting things from a professional perspective.

Im sure if the boot was on the other foot and you were the one who had lost the cash you would be against it aswell.

But when someone cleans you out on the 1/2 (or .50/1) table and then quickly moves to a bigger table that's perfectly OK?

stange as it seems that has always seemed to be the case. leaves a more bitter taste  coz moving down means that the cash he wins is in his sky rocket but if he is moving up then go play there too if you want it

I'm not rolled to play it - otherwise I would be.  I don't see the difference that means it's ok for them to go and play on a bigger table, when I'm not 'allowed' to play on a smaller one?

Am I allowed to move to a 1/1 omaha table, or is that frowned upon too?

[Mitch]

I understand your point.

I will generally announce when i sit down, that i will be in the game until a seat comes up in the bigger game.

I'm playing that game because there are no seats in the game i've come to play.

In Alex's case, the game he has come to play is running, he has a seat in it, and is moving to a game smaller, pure and simply to lock up the money he has won off the other people at the table.

Moving to another game, i.e Hold em to PLO is different IMO, although generally i see people do this for the same reasons, and sit with the minimum. If they have come in to play PLO and no game was running but a new table has started, your in the same situation as moving to a bigger holdem game.

This way the money has not been taken out of play, so theoretically, is available to win back (although i understand could be in a game out of some peoples BR)

[kinboshi]

I understand your point.

I will generally announce when i sit down, that i will be in the game until a seat comes up in the bigger game.

I'm playing that game because there are no seats in the game i've come to play.

In Alex's case, the game he has come to play is running, he has a seat in it, and is moving to a game smaller, pure and simply to lock up the money he has won off the other people at the table.

Moving to another game, i.e Hold em to PLO is different IMO, although generally i see people do this for the same reasons, and sit with the minimum. If they have come in to play PLO and no game was running but a new table has started, your in the same situation as moving to a bigger holdem game.

This way the money has not been taken out of play, so theoretically, is available to win back (although i understand could be in a game out of some peoples BR)

If you move to a 2/5 game, it's not available for me to win back.  I can't afford to play that game, so I can't win the money back.  Someone else might win it, but I don't see how that helps me at all.  In fact, if someone wins it who only plays 2/5, I can never win that money back - unless they subsequently lose it to a 2/5 player who also plays 1/2.

If Alex had left the table to play a SNG, would that be a problem, or if he'd gone to throw it all away in the Larry machine?

Sometimes, I go to DTD to play cash, and I want to play .50/1 - but there's only a 1/2 game running.  So I go and play that.  If later on in the evening a .50/1 table opens - can I not move to that (and take my winnings, in the same way you on to the 2/5 game)? 

[DMorgan]

I think I pretty much agree with Mitch

I think it would be less of an issue if you were moving from 2/5 > .50/1 cos you're obv not playing anything near as high but then again 1/2 plays deep so I don't think its the end of the world. If the guy that you won chunks from was still there I think it'd definitely be a no no but if he was still there you'd still want to play

Leaving when you're in a marginal spot and sitting deep definitely isn't a bad thing but if you're gunna stick with playing live you really need to get used to sitting deep cos once you're playing higher regularly every game you play is gunna be really deep

[kinboshi]

Also, if I'm on a 1/2 table (the only one with a seat available at the time) and I manage to bink a nice pot, but the table changes over the next hour and is full of quality players (like your good self, of course) - would I be 'allowed' to move to another 1/2 table?  It makes sense as it's a far softer game, and I want to win at the end of the day - and table selection is important.  So am I rat-holing my win in that situation?


(of course, I'm not talking about an insta-hitandrun - that's a different matter)

[dik9]

I have asked other supervisors the other week to consider or at least to discuss an etiquette guide to cash games at DTD (minimum 3 hands notice preferred 30 minute notice) to leave a game when up. Obviously no notice required if down. I personally hate hit and runners and they do nothing for regular cash games apart from harm them.
Especially the 3 hand variety that play cash during a 10 minute tourny break. I understand the arguement that they can just as easily lose, but the max they usually lose is £50ish whereas they can clean a table out by pushing blind for 2 or 3 hands and getting lucky.

[Mitch]

Also, if I'm on a 1/2 table (the only one with a seat available at the time) and I manage to bink a nice pot, but the table changes over the next hour and is full of quality players (like your good self, of course) - would I be 'allowed' to move to another 1/2 table?  It makes sense as it's a far softer game, and I want to win at the end of the day - and table selection is important.  So am I rat-holing my win in that situation?


(of course, I'm not talking about an insta-hitandrun - that's a different matter)

 

If you have come to play .50/1, you play 1/2 while you wait for a seat for 20 mins and move, is very different from coming to play 1/2, winning then moving to a .50/1


The moving table thing (to another 1/2) is different, but although the rules dont state you have to, imo you should sit with what your taking off the other table.

[kinboshi]

I have asked other supervisors the other week to consider or at least to discuss an etiquette guide to cash games at DTD (minimum 3 hands notice preferred 30 minute notice) to leave a game when up. Obviously no notice required if down. I personally hate hit and runners and they do nothing for regular cash games apart from harm them.
Especially the 3 hand variety that play cash during a 10 minute tourny break. I understand the arguement that they can just as easily lose, but the max they usually lose is £50ish whereas they can clean a table out by pushing blind for 2 or 3 hands and getting lucky.

How do you know if a player is up or down?