The chuckle chronicles

[smashedagain]

Firstly, I'm kicking myself for not thinning the field pre.

I'm not. I'm always checking my option here. Why turn our hand face-up this deep OOP when we're getting peeled by everyone anyway.

I think betting is probably best now

do you then call if he pots it behind? being the bag+ up makes it a snap for most live 2/2 unless as Tikay says you know your villan has to have one of the 2 hands that beat you.

There are TWO players behind us, Jason.

If the first pots, & the 2nd re-pots, it's time for a Rennie.

yeh but we are first to act Tony. Once we bet never in a month of sundays do we get a pot and re pot unless we are up against both the 2 hands that beat us.

Villan 1 sounds like the typical "i have a penny in this pot...so its getting the lot" style of player

Villan 2 sounds more capable but would still call him too. if he has it then its a cooler (no excuse needed)

Edit this is were george says he led pot and it went pot repot lol

[TightEnd]

bet/call to a pot raise

bet/fold to pot-pot?

[tikay]

bet/call to a pot raise

bet/fold to pot-pot?

Yes.

Or bet call to bet call, or bet fold to bet bet!

Or, if a Premiership Nit, (guilty) check call to bet call, check fold to bet bet.

[SuuPRlim]

betting is 100% the best option for me here, for the primary reason that many hands we want to get value from might check behind - Q2, KQ, the nut fush (might not call a river value bet but certainly won't bet) You're hand looks very much like a full house but I'm sure from what I know of llive poker people are calling with stuff you beat way way more than they are betting it.

If you're raised then seriously fyl you need to get some ninja live reads out, most likely a fold. And bet ~£100.

If someone goes off his lid with the naked then fair play.

[bobAlike]

Bet £100. Surely if both villains are as bad as George says surely we're never folding to a bet/pot here either unless you notice the table tipping up from the Royal Flush holders uncontrolled excitement.

[tikay]

betting is 100% the best option for me here, for the primary reason that many hands we want to get value from might check behind - Q2, KQ, the nut fush (might not call a river value bet but certainly won't bet) You're hand looks very much like a full house but I'm sure from what I know of llive poker people are calling with stuff you beat way way more than they are betting it.

If you're raised then seriously fyl you need to get some ninja live reads out, most likely a fold. And bet ~£100.

If someone goes off his lid with the naked then fair play.

Pro itt, my work is done.

Geo insisted I reply!

[Karabiner]

I like your line pre-flop, I reckon you were going to repot any raise from the straddle.

I'm solidly in the bet/call camp now.

[tikay]

I like your line pre-flop, I reckon you were going to repot any raise from the straddle.

I'm solidly in the bet/call camp now.

That is one of those "oh PLEASE do your job Mr Straddle man"!

[George2Loose]

Ok so after the hand I pretty much knew I should have bet but I checked with intention of raising. Probably bad because amI ever getting called by worse? Villian 1 shakes his head sighs and checks. Villian 2 tanks for a min and bets £80. Do we stick with original plan and raise? I am now fairly convinced villian 1 has the nut flush which means I am only losing to quad queens? However if I flat villian 1 is prob still calling with his flush. Thoughts?

[cambridgealex]

Ok so after the hand I pretty much knew I should have bet but I checked with intention of raising. Probably bad because amI ever getting called by worse? Villian 1 shakes his head sighs and checks. Villian 2 tanks for a min and bets £80. Do we stick with original plan and raise? I am now fairly convinced villian 1 has the nut flush which means I am only losing to quad queens? However if I flat villian 1 is prob still calling with his flush. Thoughts?

just call probably

[TommyD]

Late to the party with this hand.

Firstly I love everything to the river.  Zero point raising bad aces OOP live in a multiway limped pot.  You're just begging to be exploited on the flop, and this is one of those flops where we are just a big target to be slapped off if we C-Bet.  We're looking for top set, nut flush or nut flush draw with this hand when we make up pre, very little else.

To the river, agree with everyone else that leading is best.  Now you've checked and V2 has lead we have a stomach ulcer coming on.  Our really worst spot IMO is if V2 has both blockers to the Royal and Quads without having either of these hands.  If we raise and he i)  Is capable of turning a bad house into a bluff and ii)  Respects you enough that you can fold your exact hand facing a third bet; then he can pot with the blockers quite comfortable that we really have to fold.

As played I'm calling V2 hoping to get extra value from V1 if he calls, if V1 repots and V2 only calls then I'm sigh calling the 250ish total out of hope than true expectation.  With the reads you've said I think we have to call then, as long as we are closing.  Of course if after we call it goes pot and pot then I'm folding, walking away from the table and finding the bar for a double brandy.

[George2Loose]

I called. Villain 1 over called with j3dd. Villain 2 had kk.

Table was astonished that I just called river but really felt like I would never get called by worse. Think river is bet/call but Deffo an interesting spot. Thanks all. Might have a few more of these in the next few weeks

[SuuPRlim]

agree just making it up pre-flop is way the best play. We're very unlikely to not be multi-way here, and OOP, so the amount of flops we'll be chk folding is huge.

Its very common, in live poker, for everyone to auto-give you aces when you raise pre-flop. I play in a game with PLO regually and Id say about 25% of the time it's folded to me I raise in 4card PLO, but I'm told frequently after the hands it was assumed I had aces! In the spot you're in here, you should actually have AA** a small % of the time you open, out of a good range of hands you could raise here I'd say less than 25% of it should be aces because most AA** combo's just aren't good enough to raise here 9handed.

Obviously I'm not at all bias but I have recently read a copy of pokerplayer magazine, on page 54 there was a really quite fantastic article about situations like this in live 9handed PLO

[George2Loose]

Lol is it still available to purchase?

[cambridgealex]

Lol is it still available to purchase?

sold out i heard