It's just Ace high but I love it

[TheFallen]

Lol @ fold pre.

On the flop its a check swallow imo rather than bet/call or anything else.

lol @ lol....

its only a 3bet utg+2 by a passive nit.

lets make live superstar negraneu esque reads on the flop also and outmaneuver him with a classic feel play because its so lol obvious.

poker is lol, quoting needs lol.lol.lol. lol.lol

[skolsuper]

Fold pre is too tight tho to be fair. I think you may have misread the hand history as you say we have "no money invested" and refer to enticing the initial raiser to do something. I agree that if we were in the small blind here then fold pre would be probably the best line, would be painful tho

[GreekStein]

Lol @ fold pre.

On the flop its a check swallow imo rather than bet/call or anything else.

lol @ lol....

its only a 3bet utg+2 by a passive nit.

lets make live superstar negraneu esque reads on the flop also and outmaneuver him with a classic feel play because its so lol obvious.

poker is lol, quoting needs lol.lol.lol. lol.lol

passive nit that 3-bets 99 when we raise utg.

[  ] folding AK here.

[TheFallen]

Fold pre is too tight tho to be fair. I think you may have misread the hand history as you say we have "no money invested" and refer to enticing the initial raiser to do something. I agree that if we were in the small blind here then fold pre would be probably the best line, would be painful tho

oh yer i did mis read the hh or fogot what happened when i advocated folding initially. the fact that we're going to be out of position makes me want to fold even more.

dont know how someone who will 3bet 99 here is described as playing a passive and nitty style. i think you either have his range wrong or have labelled him incorrectly because these things seem polar opposites to me.

[GreekStein]

[quote author=TheFallen link=topic=52538.msg1340715#msg1340715
dont know how someone who will 3bet 99 here is described as playing a passive and nitty style. i think you either have his range wrong or have labelled him incorrectly because these things seem polar opposites to me.
[/quote]

exactly! Hence my post

[cambridgealex]

I meant passive post flop. He likes to pot control, check back scary turns with overpairs when he should be betting etc. Perhaps doesnt 3b 99 but TT+he does. More likely to 3b 99 vs me because he knows I'll open much wider than normal UTG.

[Rupert]

i'm assuming this hand is 10 handed and not 6 or something.  this would change the best play drastically.  no one 3 bets a range of 99+ AK.  call or fold pre are both fine, but given the guy is a calilng station i'd call and stack his ass.  4 bet getting in pre is going to be a pretty decent sized mistake if he's a nit IMO, esp with his postflop leaks

[cambridgealex]

I 4b to get him to fold 99-JJ because if I flat, as someone said, I'm not getting paid on Axx or Kxx vs 99-QQ. If I 4b/call I may get him to fold those hands.

James, Dave, why are we bet/calling 1/3 pot? This betsize looks kind of weak right? Instinctively I'd shove or a 2/3pot bet.

I'm putting him on JJ+/AK here so how can I expect him to ever fold on this flop? The only hand he may fold is AK and TT. When he checks back twice I know he doesn't have JJ, QQ, KK, AA so its just AK and TT. Thoughts on a river barrel?

Rupert, I've seen him flat my button open from the SB with AQsuited, and 3bet TT UTG+2 vs me. I think my range is accurate.

Also James, what is wrong with Stato_1s post?

[Dubai]

If you are going to bet anything other than shove is obviously absolutely horrendous given ur read that he never has worse. At least he might fold better/same to a shove, inducing with 6 outs is beyond retarded

[pleno1]

foldddddd pre, sometimes you gotta do it.

[George2Loose]

I 4b to get him to fold 99-JJ because if I flat, as someone said, I'm not getting paid on Axx or Kxx vs 99-QQ. If I 4b/call I may get him to fold those hands.

James, Dave, why are we bet/calling 1/3 pot? This betsize looks kind of weak right? Instinctively I'd shove or a 2/3pot bet.

I'm putting him on JJ+/AK here so how can I expect him to ever fold on this flop? The only hand he may fold is AK and TT. When he checks back twice I know he doesn't have JJ, QQ, KK, AA so its just AK and TT. Thoughts on a river barrel?

Rupert, I've seen him flat my button open from the SB with AQsuited, and 3bet TT UTG+2 vs me. I think my range is accurate.

Also James, what is wrong with Stato_1s post?

If he folds so wide when you 4 bet, do you 4 bet here often with air?

[cambridgealex]

I 4b to get him to fold 99-JJ because if I flat, as someone said, I'm not getting paid on Axx or Kxx vs 99-QQ. If I 4b/call I may get him to fold those hands.

James, Dave, why are we bet/calling 1/3 pot? This betsize looks kind of weak right? Instinctively I'd shove or a 2/3pot bet.

I'm putting him on JJ+/AK here so how can I expect him to ever fold on this flop? The only hand he may fold is AK and TT. When he checks back twice I know he doesn't have JJ, QQ, KK, AA so its just AK and TT. Thoughts on a river barrel?

Rupert, I've seen him flat my button open from the SB with AQsuited, and 3bet TT UTG+2 vs me. I think my range is accurate.

Also James, what is wrong with Stato_1s post?

If he folds so wide when you 4 bet, do you 4 bet here often with air?

It's live, I've never really been in this spot before vs this opponent. I don't think we can say he folds so wide when I 4bet. His 3bet range is narrow and I had expected him to fold maybe 1/3 - 1/2 of it (99-JJ). But given the results of this hand I don't ever expect him to 3bet fold vs me.

[cambridgealex]

foldddddd pre, sometimes you gotta do it.

peeling 3bet >>>>> folding imo

not sure about peeling vs 4betting

[pleno1]

if hes not 3betting Kx/Ax then calling pre is bad with stack and pot ratios, he 3bet to 25x, online he would 3bet to 11-14x so could soemtimes be justfied, but here i dont like it.

[George2Loose]

I 4b to get him to fold 99-JJ because if I flat, as someone said, I'm not getting paid on Axx or Kxx vs 99-QQ. If I 4b/call I may get him to fold those hands.

James, Dave, why are we bet/calling 1/3 pot? This betsize looks kind of weak right? Instinctively I'd shove or a 2/3pot bet.

I'm putting him on JJ+/AK here so how can I expect him to ever fold on this flop? The only hand he may fold is AK and TT. When he checks back twice I know he doesn't have JJ, QQ, KK, AA so its just AK and TT. Thoughts on a river barrel?

Rupert, I've seen him flat my button open from the SB with AQsuited, and 3bet TT UTG+2 vs me. I think my range is accurate.

Also James, what is wrong with Stato_1s post?

If he folds so wide when you 4 bet, do you 4 bet here often with air?

It's live, I've never really been in this spot before vs this opponent. I don't think we can say he folds so wide when I 4bet. His 3bet range is narrow and I had expected him to fold maybe 1/3 - 1/2 of it (99-JJ). But given the results of this hand I don't ever expect him to 3bet fold vs me.

If you're 4 betting cos he folds JJ-99 then I'd say he's folding pretty wide