Live feeds and hole cards: Ethics and considerations

[MANTIS01]

And what if somebody is proper tilted because they think you bluffed them out of big pot? Rather than have to deal with those tilt emotions for the remainder of the game about 20 mins later they get the info that they made a fantastic fold and continue with the game now super confident. It's just fecking with poker every which way.

[dik9]

Watching poker without hole cards is obv good for me but not for Joe public. I doubt Joe public is actually watching a web stream so without hole cards is fine. Think the Irish Open got a lot of viewers I believe.

The company that did this have only done one before ........ The Irish Open!

[AndrewT]

And what if somebody is proper tilted because they think you bluffed them out of big pot? Rather than have to deal with those tilt emotions for the remainder of the game about 20 mins later they get the info that they made a fantastic fold and continue with the game now super confident. It's just fecking with poker every which way.

Also, there is the added thing that poker players can be lured into a call based on sating their curiosity. The burning desire to know what the other guy had, which would eat away at their insides, can get players to make calls they shouldn't.

Now they know they can find out in half an hour so can more happily fold.

[GreekStein]

Well done to the new poster who made one of the worst OP's I've ever seen. Way to go not putting a name to your post too when calling someone out. Nice one.

Dik9 - players were told the event was gonna be filmed so could choose to play or not as you put it. Was it made clear they weren't allowed to use their phones should they make the feature table? This is a pretty pointless thing as railers would be able to use their phones and tell people what their opponents had.

I personally don't like the use of these hole card cams when a live feed is running on such a short delay as I think it's bad for the game.

[gatso]

were they made aware that the event was going to be filmed with holecards shown when entering online sats? I'm assuming not and as their stacks were put in play from the off they wouldn't have the choice of whether to play or not once they arrived

[dik9]

Well done to the new poster who made one of the worst OP's I've ever seen. Way to go not putting a name to your post too when calling someone out. Nice one.

Dik9 - players were told the event was gonna be filmed so could choose to play or not as you put it. Was it made clear they weren't allowed to use their phones should they make the feature table? This is a pretty pointless thing as railers would be able to use their phones and tell people what their opponents had.

I personally don't like the use of these hole card cams when a live feed is running on such a short delay as I think it's bad for the game.

You cant use your phone anyway if involved in the hand FEED OR NO FEED, our old rule was you couldn't use the phone at anytime at the table. I stated very clearly at the final table that no communication devices are to be used at the Final table, because of the feed and everyone complied without any questions, apart from Mitch who asked if I was going to lock them in a cage during a break lol.

[dik9]

were they made aware that the event was going to be filmed with holecards shown when entering online sats? I'm assuming not and as their stacks were put in play from the off they wouldn't have the choice of whether to play or not once they arrived

No but believe it was stated on the site that there would be a live feed http://www.dusktilldawnpokerclub.com/news.php?id=1985

[SuuPRlim]

9ballCP....

I hope you have at least  $137,943 in winnings on your hendon mob or frankly your opinions are not valid.

[smashedagain]

9ballCP....

I hope you have at least  $137,943 in winnings on your hendon mob or frankly your opinions are not valid.

ha ha. you know who he is dave?......

[mouth]

9ballCP....

I hope you have at least  $137,943 in winnings on your hendon mob or frankly your opinions are not valid.

We can rule out Smashed Again then on a double log in.

[smashedagain]

9ballCP....

I hope you have at least  $137,943 in winnings on your hendon mob or frankly your opinions are not valid.

ha ha. you know who he is dave?......

....lil dave i'm calling you out.  thought wait a minute i've got about 137k. very well played

[smashedagain]

just for the record i dont know who 9 ball corner pocket is. Alex played some excellent poker and 100% deserved to win this. if he had not won then this whole subject would not have been brought up. he did tweet the original post but Ian Gascoigne said that the stream would be stopped if people tweeted him hands. Alex is honourable and i hope people can rejoice in his success.  i personally love seeing hole cards during streams and think it adds to the tension. Dubai is correct about streams not attracting any audience outside of players/family/friends. Thanks for thinking my opinion counts lol

[Alverton]

Ignoring the op (obv) this thread has turned into quite a good debate, wp.

[CHIPPYMAN]

WHO THE F**K r u anyway?

i think u must b the guy alex knock out!

post ur name or GTFO this site.

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[h]

first off all congrats to Alex
and rest of final table

I think this is an interesting debate have some questions about the streaming
for the record i do not have strong views on streaming Although did two hours on there table moved off and 15 mins later was reseated back there which ended up going through bubble period so not sure if second visit was longer than two hours
first two hours my impression was getting less hands per hour dealt with interuptions to table through dealer head set
asking to wait players reminded to place hole cards in box etc... if this was a trial did dtd monitor hands per hour compared to none streamed tables ?

other questions that spring to mind

1. How secure is the live data capture ?

2. Don't think its fair to assume some one satting in a while ago would be aware that delayed streaming would happen
from dtd website

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prior to this i think there was a mention that it might be televised ? But i  might be wrong

3. Was stream recorded is it going to be put up internet for future viewing ?
(I would like to watch it lol )

4 does DTD have viewing figures ? how many unique users watched it  and when more when ft airred ? and where from Nottingham and ?

finally as for op think he should declare what his interest is ?