DTD Grand Prix 4: €250,000 GTD: FINAL DAY

[EvilPie]

Simon was amazed by the deal and said had he been aware it wouldn't of happened..??

So instead of making a nice sum of money that they're happy with they're railroaded in to playing on by Simon when they really would prefer to take the money and go home?

Is Simon honestly saying that even if all the players being fully aware of the facts still want the deal he won't allow it because in his opinion it's not fair?

Why should a deal be fair anyway? Lot's of things aren't fair but if you're happy with it then where's the problem?

Nobody is forced to do anything.

[Leatherman]

Yeh understand what ya saying and simon is the best person to answer your questions.. Maybe he will?
Didn't mean to make it sound that Simon would of made them play on, but he might of been able to advise people concerned about the payouts and percentages and so on.. E.g 8th place was £3.566 and 8th in chips had 160K in chips and he worked out on the spot to be around 5K.. But i'd had a few beers so can't remember what else he said.. Hasn't aetsos just posted that now he thinks he's probably made a small mistake in taking the deal offered.. Anyway cracking comp and brill updates, bring on GP5.. 

[pottaker]

mr 4bb here what can i say guys , nothing like i did.nt with the negosiations wtf not my fault if they cant work it out happy days !! lol

[gatso]

td/simon should never be making comment on whether a deal is fair surely. mr 4xbb got himself a fantastic deal by sitting there quietly, why should he suffer by having someone point this out to the others? deal making is a part of tournament poker and the decision should be with the players and only the players

the only involvement staff should have is to check that everyone is happy with the deal, not to give an opinion on it

[dik9]

Absolutely true Gatso. The only comment I did actually make was to ask the players to disregard the fact that 2 players had already won £15k as that was not part of the prizepool.

Simon did have a word with me and was under the impression that 2nd CL got more than 1st place money as somebody had told him. That 2nd CL had more than 1st place (I presume the person telling simon this meant "chips")

[cambridgealex]

So when you say to players the start of a final "you can do deals providing everybody is happy and that it is fair" (I forget the exact wording you use), what exactly does that "fair" bit mean?

[dik9]

So when you say to players the start of a final "you can do deals providing everybody is happy and that it is fair" (I forget the exact wording you use), what exactly does that "fair" bit mean?

I have never said that Alex, I say "as long as everyone agrees". There is 1 TD who uses those words and we have argued about this.

[dik9]

Alex

Absolutely not

You pay your money, you takes your choice. Everyone is within their right to say "no deals" and it plays on on. If having this ability makes your opponent fear you and strike a poor deal which they are satisfied with so be it.

Deals by their nature just need to satisfy the individual. If tehy do that, be it technically good or bad, then so be it

Actually at DTD they say to you when you reach a final (shameless brag I know) that deals have to be considered fair.

In fact, if you believe you heard those words from me at your Final Table, I will wager the amount of money you won at that final. As I have very strong opinions about a TD getting involved in a deal.

[aetos]

Alex

Absolutely not

You pay your money, you takes your choice. Everyone is within their right to say "no deals" and it plays on on. If having this ability makes your opponent fear you and strike a poor deal which they are satisfied with so be it.

Deals by their nature just need to satisfy the individual. If tehy do that, be it technically good or bad, then so be it

Actually at DTD they say to you when you reach a final (shameless brag I know) that deals have to be considered fair.

In fact, if you believe you heard those words from me at your Final Table, I will wager the amount of money you won at that final. As I have very strong opinions abo

mr tony as i worked it out for my 500k stack i would have still got about 500euro up or down with a chip count as well so i believe with the bb levels it was a good idea to lock the 4th place price even though i did not give my self the chance to win more or ( take less ) of course, what is your opinion?

[dik9]

Chipcount wise you are <100 euros away so pretty much bang on.

ICM roughly is as follows:

27.9k Tommy 27400 based on approx 1,950,000
30k Nick 25700 based on approx 1,700,000
11.5k Romans  14700 based on approx 560k
11.5k Mario 13450 based on approx 470k
10.7k Ian 13150 based on approx 450k
11.5k Mohammed 12300 based on approx 397k
10.7k Mark 10300 based on approx 285k
10.7k Daryl 7600 based on approx 161k

btw who the hell is Mr tony lol

[h]

Nicholas Humphris €30,000
approx chip count 1.1m

Tommy Bingham €27,900
Approx chip count 1.9m

Romans Mihailovs €11,500
approx chips 560k

Marios Arkadiou €11,500
approx chips 470k

Mohammed Ashfaq €11,500
approx chips 397k

Ian Turner €10,700
approx chips 450k

Mark Wates €10,700
approx chips 285k

Michael Daryl Haney €10,700
approx chips 161k

Guys can I just correct something please, these chip counts are slightly out. There was 5,985,000 in chips. N Humphris actually had 1,700,000.
What actually happened was, the chip leader was the player pushing for a deal, he wanted both himself and the other cl to take 25k and split the rest equally. Humphris simply said, 30k or carry on, CL said he wanted the same as Humphris as he had more chips. 4 times they were told to carry on. Mario, Romans and Mohammed wanted a little more, T Bingham then said he would take it off his because he wanted a deal and ensured he got more that 2nd place without any risk for an outlay of £50.

D Haney never said a word and obviously benefited from the deal, I could obviously see the ICM was way out and asked the question numerous times if everyone was happy, all insisted they were. In my personal opinion the person who got shafted was Ian Turner but again he said he was happy with the deal (maybe already elated at his golden chip fortune but this shouldnt have made a difference in the deal). Everyones happy at the way their money was split ..... why the haters?

IMO Yes Mario and Romans (possibly Ian) should understand ICM better but they were not forced to deal and were happy with their lot.

The fairest and most simple way is by chip count but this was never requested.

First of all congrats to all on ft and thank you to dtd for a fantastic comp
i dont have strong opions either way on deals but do think those involved if all agree should be able to do what suits them
i hope there is another Grand Prix and liked the day one on line format

so question if i every make a ft at dtd

can i ask for for dtd to do a ICM  chip count analysis as the basis of negotiation ?

[dik9]

Nicholas Humphris €30,000
approx chip count 1.1m

Tommy Bingham €27,900
Approx chip count 1.9m

Romans Mihailovs €11,500
approx chips 560k

Marios Arkadiou €11,500
approx chips 470k

Mohammed Ashfaq €11,500
approx chips 397k

Ian Turner €10,700
approx chips 450k

Mark Wates €10,700
approx chips 285k

Michael Daryl Haney €10,700
approx chips 161k

Guys can I just correct something please, these chip counts are slightly out. There was 5,985,000 in chips. N Humphris actually had 1,700,000.
What actually happened was, the chip leader was the player pushing for a deal, he wanted both himself and the other cl to take 25k and split the rest equally. Humphris simply said, 30k or carry on, CL said he wanted the same as Humphris as he had more chips. 4 times they were told to carry on. Mario, Romans and Mohammed wanted a little more, T Bingham then said he would take it off his because he wanted a deal and ensured he got more that 2nd place without any risk for an outlay of £50.

D Haney never said a word and obviously benefited from the deal, I could obviously see the ICM was way out and asked the question numerous times if everyone was happy, all insisted they were. In my personal opinion the person who got shafted was Ian Turner but again he said he was happy with the deal (maybe already elated at his golden chip fortune but this shouldnt have made a difference in the deal). Everyones happy at the way their money was split ..... why the haters?

IMO Yes Mario and Romans (possibly Ian) should understand ICM better but they were not forced to deal and were happy with their lot.

The fairest and most simple way is by chip count but this was never requested.

First of all congratis to all on ft and thank you to dtd for a fantastic comp
i dont have strong opions either way on deals but do think those involved if all agree should be able to do what suits them
i hope there is another Grand Prix and liked the day one on line format

so question if i every make a ft at dtd

can i ask for for dtd to do a ICM  chip count analysis as the basis of negotiation ?

DTD wont do an ICM but I am sure if you have a smartphone and have an ICM app the figures can be put to the rest of the table for consideration by the other players.

[h]

"DTD wont do an ICM "
Why  not present this info if asked for might speed up the negotations ?

[dik9]

Sorry h but if someone asks for a chipcount deal, we deal with actual figures. ICM is a complex formula that takes into consideration a number of variables. On request I will give the chip counts to the players, and give their chip value that they have if requested.

[h]

Sorry h but if someone asks for a chipcount deal, we deal with actual figures. ICM is a complex formula that takes into consideration a number of variables. On request I will give the chip counts to the players, and give their chip value that they have if requested.

doh
chip count does not equal ICM i misunderstood
thanks for reply