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« Reply #59685 on: November 19, 2013, 08:59:11 PM »


Just noticed a really cool team playing tonight has all 22 players and subs having a surname ending in  "n"  Smiley

Ooooh! Tal porn!

Please do tell!
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« Reply #59686 on: November 19, 2013, 09:03:39 PM »


Just noticed a really cool team playing tonight has all 22 players and subs having a surname ending in  "n"  Smiley

Ooooh! Tal porn!

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"cool team"....

Iceland?
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« Reply #59687 on: November 19, 2013, 09:04:37 PM »


The charisma of the ITV studio panel is such that the funniest guy is a German.
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« Reply #59688 on: November 19, 2013, 09:20:12 PM »


Just noticed a really cool team playing tonight has all 22 players and subs having a surname ending in  "n"  Smiley

Ooooh! Tal porn!

Please do tell!

"cool team"....

Iceland?

Only because they replaced Kerry Katona with Jason Donovan
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« Reply #59689 on: November 19, 2013, 09:32:46 PM »

vc, lads and corals are all still 2's ronaldo for the ballon d'or

suggest £50

already clear fav on betfair after tonight
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« Reply #59690 on: November 19, 2013, 09:38:04 PM »

vc, lads and corals are all still 2's ronaldo for the ballon d'or

suggest £50

already clear fav on betfair after tonight

fantastic price.
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« Reply #59691 on: November 19, 2013, 09:39:30 PM »

now odds on betfair

didnt last long best now 2.75 with 888 which is still more than acceptable
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« Reply #59692 on: November 19, 2013, 09:52:25 PM »


Cheers Horsey for putting this up, it was a great watch although I did find Declan Hill himself to be a bit annoying.
You might be interested in this, which touches on some of the issues raised by Hill;
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/oct/29/nigeria-toughest-league-win-away


thanks dazzler thought it had been lost a bit

Yes no idea why he had a right go at the bloke who asked about asia a bit unnecessary

thanks for the link

I went to a lecture 3 or 4 years ago where Hill spoke but the main guest speaker was the ex Mafiosi guy he plays at the start of his piece.  At the time I was quite unconvinced by Hill and even less impressed by the Mafiosi guy whose main premise was basically that he had fixed a few games 25-30 years ago and therefore it was still going on.  I have changed my view of Hill a bit though.  I think he is right that in certain leagues it is prevalent and has effectively ruined those leagues.  Even now I refuse to bet on the Russian League for my firm and have recently nixed the Greek league and am considering the same with the Turkish league.  Where I do think that they go overboard is in the predictions that it will reach the bigger European leagues.  There is no doubt that it can happen occasionally and it has.  Italy, as we all know, has had problems and there were certainly a handful of problems in the Bundesliga too but I think in the period since this all became big the same global interest has made the biggest leagues almost untouchable in terms of earnings to make it worthwhile a player even having a discussion.  There is always a chance a player of a member of their family might get into trouble and that could lead to something but it takes more than one outfield player to fix a game.  The lower leagues may be somewhat vunerable but the FA is very hot on this nowadays.  I think the threat to UK and major European leagues is a bit overdone.

 Incidentally a few years ago I was mildly acquainted with a Belgian guy when that countries games were being targeted.  He was a very good judge and also seemed to have an inside track as to when the games were dodgy to the point that he was also employed by someone known to a lot of us as an expert of that league (not suggesting anything dodgy at all there btw.  He is whiter than white in my experience).  Anyway we lost touch but I went out for a beer with another mutual friend a year or so ago and asked after him.  His response was he was now in charge of that leagues anti corruption task force!!!!!
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« Reply #59693 on: November 19, 2013, 10:00:55 PM »

vc, lads and corals are all still 2's ronaldo for the ballon d'or

suggest £50

already clear fav on betfair after tonight

Missed it everywhere John, sorry. Would have been a fabulous bet. I don't have an 888 Account.
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« Reply #59694 on: November 19, 2013, 11:37:15 PM »

That lovely fella paddy power is doubling odds if u back the top run scorer in an innings in the first ashes test. Both teams are odds on on bf to score a century in the first innings so if u cop it's likely to have been a century. Bit of search shows feed faves bailey and bell, and kp are all top price wi paddy, , 9/2 n 4/1. I've backed bailey n kp, it's 50 max.

Can't believe the pot I missed out on while typing this lol, ace hi shoves flop n gets called by king hi, woulda called n flopped trips otb if not typing ffs.

Reccy 25 on each (choose bell or kp wi bailey? U have a position on bell centuries already)Or a quid if you're tiddlearsing
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« Reply #59695 on: November 20, 2013, 12:09:04 AM »

That lovely fella paddy power is doubling odds if u back the top run scorer in an innings in the first ashes test. Both teams are odds on on bf to score a century in the first innings so if u cop it's likely to have been a century. Bit of search shows feed faves bailey and bell, and kp are all top price wi paddy, , 9/2 n 4/1. I've backed bailey n kp, it's 50 max.

Can't believe the pot I missed out on while typing this lol, ace hi shoves flop n gets called by king hi, woulda called n flopped trips otb if not typing ffs.

Reccy 25 on each (choose bell or kp wi bailey? U have a position on bell centuries already)Or a quid if you're tiddlearsing

I think thread is blocked from offers at Paddy Power, and tiddlearsing is all thread can do there.  Sad
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« Reply #59696 on: November 20, 2013, 12:14:45 AM »


Cheers Horsey for putting this up, it was a great watch although I did find Declan Hill himself to be a bit annoying.
You might be interested in this, which touches on some of the issues raised by Hill;
http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/oct/29/nigeria-toughest-league-win-away


thanks dazzler thought it had been lost a bit

Yes no idea why he had a right go at the bloke who asked about asia a bit unnecessary

thanks for the link

I went to a lecture 3 or 4 years ago where Hill spoke but the main guest speaker was the ex Mafiosi guy he plays at the start of his piece.  At the time I was quite unconvinced by Hill and even less impressed by the Mafiosi guy whose main premise was basically that he had fixed a few games 25-30 years ago and therefore it was still going on.  I have changed my view of Hill a bit though.  I think he is right that in certain leagues it is prevalent and has effectively ruined those leagues.  Even now I refuse to bet on the Russian League for my firm and have recently nixed the Greek league and am considering the same with the Turkish league.  Where I do think that they go overboard is in the predictions that it will reach the bigger European leagues.  There is no doubt that it can happen occasionally and it has.  Italy, as we all know, has had problems and there were certainly a handful of problems in the Bundesliga too but I think in the period since this all became big the same global interest has made the biggest leagues almost untouchable in terms of earnings to make it worthwhile a player even having a discussion.  There is always a chance a player of a member of their family might get into trouble and that could lead to something but it takes more than one outfield player to fix a game.  The lower leagues may be somewhat vunerable but the FA is very hot on this nowadays.  I think the threat to UK and major European leagues is a bit overdone.

 Incidentally a few years ago I was mildly acquainted with a Belgian guy when that countries games were being targeted.  He was a very good judge and also seemed to have an inside track as to when the games were dodgy to the point that he was also employed by someone known to a lot of us as an expert of that league (not suggesting anything dodgy at all there btw.  He is whiter than white in my experience).  Anyway we lost touch but I went out for a beer with another mutual friend a year or so ago and asked after him.  His response was he was now in charge of that leagues anti corruption task force!!!!!

I wish I could be as optimistic as you Red but I can't see how the big leagues won't be caught up in it eventually.
The money in football is growing, the gambling on football is growing. These are the 2 factors that fuel the fixing, along with players either not getting paid or being underpaid.
As for the players earning too much to get involved, there was a report that 3 out of 5 premiership players declare bankrupcy within 5 years of retiring. They may make crazy money but they spend crazy money too.
A bit of googling and I found this;
"In the US, a 2009 report found 78 per cent of NFL players are either bankrupt or under financial stress within two years of quitting. In the NBA, 60 per cent are broke within five years."
And it's the guys that are within a couple of years of the end of their career that are the big danger. They are at the top of their earning cycle and probably with spending patterns to match and in a couple of years, they'll be earning ZERO. These guys are one bad investment away from talking to the fixers.
It may seem insane to us that people can go from earning nothing to earning millions and still spend it all but clearly they do. If you have a gambling problem, you can do the lot, no matter how much you earn/have.

Brad Friedel declared bankrupcy and he's still playing. According to Hill, he fits the criteria perfectly, broke and near the end of his career. Plus he's a keeper so way easier to fix a game, if he was that way inclined.
If I was AVB, I wouldn't be playing Friedel in ANY game of any significance. No wonder Lloris played on in that Everton game! (If you're reading Brad, I'm sure you're as clean as a whistle. Ahem.)
I really, really hope Spurs get to the Europa final and play Friedel. Imma gonna be all over whoever they are playing! (Sorry Brad, you're clean, so clean. I know.)


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« Reply #59697 on: November 20, 2013, 04:28:54 AM »

There is an espn doc "broke" about sports people doing the lot in the us. Scary stuff.

It is on YouTube can't post the link as I am on my iPad.
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« Reply #59698 on: November 20, 2013, 04:53:32 AM »

There is an espn doc "broke" about sports people doing the lot in the us. Scary stuff.

It is on YouTube can't post the link as I am on my iPad.

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« Reply #59699 on: November 20, 2013, 08:08:28 AM »

I have seen that documentary actually.  Recommended.

Still not convinced though.  If it is such a problem why has there never been a significant problem in the NFL for example where it would be much easier (due to a handful of skill players).  I could easily get you a million dollars on an NFL game on any given Sunday and realistically not move the line more than about a point.  If I tried to plan it I honestly think I could probably manage it without making much of a ripple in the market at all.  Premiership football is similar.  I am not saying it will never happen.  I am, for instance, completely convinced that about five years ago a formerly prominent Premiership goalkeeper, with well documented gambling problems fixed a Championship game.  The in running betting patterns just made no sense and then something happened in the game that made it all make sense and when I saw the player involved I just knew.  Others agreed and it made the papers but no further action was taken.  There have been other occasions too generally at the lower league level but I just think they are isolated cases.  For match fixing on the scale even that happened in Italy to happen here would cost people literally billions.  They couldn't let it happen on a scale that would undermine the integrity of the sport.

 I also tend to think if I was a match fixer I would leave the big leagues alone.  If I had the knowhow, resources and inclination to fix games I would stick to the Finlands, Belgiums and Dutch second divisions of the world.  I can quite easily get $50-100k on.  If my guy gets caught he probably goes to prison for six months and I pay him off but nobody is bothered enough to come up the chain to me.  Interpol don't put out international arrest warrants for someone fixing Lokeren v Cercle Brugge and the amounts of money involved are small enough to be able to move fairly easily etc.  Contrast that with if I decide to fix a Prem game.  For sure I can make a couple of million out of it but logistically and personally the risks are much higher.  Firstly, I have the risk of the initial contact.  Lets say I have some info that John Terry might be amenable to an approach as he has to pay child support for half the kids in Surrey (and lets face it he just looks dodgy).  I can approach him but he on his own might not be enough to guarantee a result so he will need to talk to Frank and Fernando.   Any one of them could take exception to this and it could all go wrong, badly wrong if they report it to the FA.  But lets assume JT gets the boys on board and we are going to do it.  These boys earn probably £40-50k a week each (obv we are not talking about JT, Lampard and Torres here but this is the level of player).  Nobody is risking their career for a weeks wages.......I wouldn't do that and I don't earn 50k a week.......so realistically we are looking at £400-500k to the players.  We can't just transfer that to their accounts.  That in itself is a logistical nightmare these days.  Then we get the bets down to win about £5m.  That takes a lot of organising and money transferring too and there is a risk it doesn't happen too.  Contrary to popular belief these things don't always go to plan.  I can't tell you how many so called fixed games I have heard about over the years that didn't cop or where something went wrong.  That is a big, big risk with millions on the line on a game televised around the world.  The fix has to be convincing when 40m people worldwide are watching so it has to be subtle.  You can't just put the ball in your own net.  Finally, if there is any suspicion your mug is going to be on the front of every newspaper in the world and there will be no hiding.  Interpol will be following the money the whole way.  The bookies, agents everyone will be getting their doors knocked in.  If anything I think this was Dan Tans mistake.  He was protected in Singapore and Asia and could largely get on with it until they touched Italy.  Then it became too big.  Then he became an embarrassment.  That wouldn't have happened if he had stuck to Finland and the Belarussian 2nd division.  I don't think his successors will make the same mistake personally.  (sorry for the long post)
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