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« Reply #66000 on: January 19, 2014, 07:32:17 PM »

Surely you can bet on events that take place outside the 7 days?


Wouldn't it be an idea for a load of you to link up somewhere private, so if someone sees a good opportunity you can have a go at getting on without shouting from the rooftops?

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« Reply #66001 on: January 19, 2014, 07:37:45 PM »

So put £1000 on a 10/1 chance, about which it's possible to lay back on Betdaq at about the same price?

How much would one lay back?

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« Reply #66002 on: January 19, 2014, 07:40:38 PM »

Betfair fixed odds are doing a promo where if there is a touchdown on the first drive of the game, all losing first/last/anytime td scorer bets are refunded.

NE always defer so, as Denver score a td 50% of the time on their first drive you are a little more than evens (assuming the NE defense is a tad better than average) to get refunded if you back a loser.
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« Reply #66003 on: January 19, 2014, 07:41:57 PM »

Busy on a Sunday.  Optimum strategy for free bets is on maths in betting thread if someone wants to bump.  Converting £50 free bets in to £20 is not close Tal.  Converting £25 in to £20 is going to be good enough if you have a load to use.  Obviously you can use 2 or 3 on one bet if you have a sackful.
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Most of the bets placed so far seem more like hopeful punts rather than value spots
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« Reply #66004 on: January 19, 2014, 07:44:21 PM »

Busy on a Sunday.  Optimum strategy for free bets is on maths in betting thread if someone wants to bump.  Converting £50 free bets in to £20 is not close Tal.  Converting £25 in to £20 is going to be good enough if you have a load to use.  Obviously you can use 2 or 3 on one bet if you have a sackful.

Obviously. Was just answering the question of how you guarantee a return.
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« Reply #66005 on: January 19, 2014, 07:46:14 PM »


you could back @ 8-1 on lads and lay 22.22 @ 9-1 on betfair - that would get a return of 22.22 less commissh 90% of the time - so there must be plenty of arb ops like this or a bit worse.
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« Reply #66006 on: January 19, 2014, 07:50:48 PM »

Busy on a Sunday.  Optimum strategy for free bets is on maths in betting thread if someone wants to bump.  Converting £50 free bets in to £20 is not close Tal.  Converting £25 in to £20 is going to be good enough if you have a load to use.  Obviously you can use 2 or 3 on one bet if you have a sackful.

Two people who understand this a lot better than me are saying a £25 free bet is "worth" £20 if used correctly

That figure seems very high to me i presume it is based on a large number of bets being placed with free bets?
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« Reply #66007 on: January 19, 2014, 07:51:33 PM »

I guess if anyone has load of free bets they could sell them to guarantee £££. I'd pay 0.5-0.6 on the ££ as long as there was a substantial number of free bets
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« Reply #66008 on: January 19, 2014, 07:54:06 PM »

Not sure how people think they can convert 50/90%.

If so why dont you do it every day of the week?!
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« Reply #66009 on: January 19, 2014, 07:56:33 PM »


think that they are talking about % of value long term not strike rate
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« Reply #66010 on: January 19, 2014, 07:57:18 PM »

I have returned, by my sums and from 80 bets placed:

40 free bets at £25 a pop
4 returns of £25 from 'x no bet' markets
36 winners returning £1570.05

I actually had a £400 hedge with @ 11/10 on ' BTTS - no' when they were 11/10 Friday afternoon as an approximate hedge.

I reckoned my average expectation was c£400. As it is I am £270 in front but in free bets...from which I will prob nick 80-90% back if I'm savvy so not a tremendous result but alright. Always have enjoyed taking money off Lads since they restricted my dad's account for the temerity to be related to me, pathetic shower.

You outlaid £2000 in the offer. You returned £1670 from draw no bets and winners in real cash. You hedged for £400 which failed. So effectively you have £1270 back in cash.

40x25 free bets = £1000 in free bets. You hope for at least 90%-80% of that in real money, so £900-£800. So £2070-£2170 back hopefully, getting you £70-£170 profit?

If the hedge did come in and your free bets didn't come in you would have got £400x2.1 = £840 back to replace the expectancy of the amount you would win from the free bets. Smooth.

Now I am going to explore different avenues just to understand the process better and not trying to rile by hedging unsuccessfully obv, I just really need to break this down into simple man terms.

You decide not to hedge. You just add £400 onto the potential profits above of £70-£170 and that makes £470-£570.

You decide not to hedge and both teams do not score. I am assuming for arguments sake you return the same amount above of £1670. And you go on to make a loss of £330

Would you have returned a similar amount if both teams didn't score of around £1670, or was it inherent in your strategy to make sure if both teams didn't score your returns probably come over £2000? And is that why the offer was too good to turn down in the first place?
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« Reply #66011 on: January 19, 2014, 07:59:09 PM »

Optimum strategy for free bets is on maths in betting thread if someone wants to bump.

Going to read it and break it down slowly in order to digest, rather than be quietly envious of your Maths ability and give up quickly Smiley Gonna get there.
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« Reply #66012 on: January 19, 2014, 08:00:16 PM »

Busy on a Sunday.  Optimum strategy for free bets is on maths in betting thread if someone wants to bump.  Converting £50 free bets in to £20 is not close Tal.  Converting £25 in to £20 is going to be good enough if you have a load to use.  Obviously you can use 2 or 3 on one bet if you have a sackful.

Two people who understand this a lot better than me are saying a £25 free bet is "worth" £20 if used correctly

That figure seems very high to me i presume it is based on a large number of bets being placed with free bets?

I have bumped the maths and betting thread which explains things.  If people have questions I can answer tomorrow.  Sunday is a busy poker night for me so can't do much tonight.
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« Reply #66013 on: January 19, 2014, 08:11:39 PM »

Owing to the sheer number of bets and the related contingencies it was difficult to get a perfectly balanced hedge, but I gave it a good go. I left myself long BTTS to compensate for free bet faffage/conversion costs and hassle of time in shop.

Optimal strategy is the longest priced selection you can find where Betfair price is v close to the price you get with the book. This tends to stop happening after about the 12/1 point hence Doobs' post.

Think I ran about 1 standard deviation below expectation where sd=c£125 on gut feel.
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« Reply #66014 on: January 19, 2014, 08:12:46 PM »

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