Tips for Tikay

[Tal]

Say what you like about Messi.

He's no Harry Kane.

[Marky147]

Sigh I done Suarez anytime for my first fifty and £50 Neymar FGS inplay.   

Wrong way round. 

I did the Betway a/t double - Aguero/Messi...

[FUN4FRASER]

Thoughts with you Horsey. Rest in Peace.

[arbboy]

NBA news - Bulls best player out for the season so their chances of winning the nba are pretty much dead.  Flipside is Cavs are much shorter in the outright because of it.  Think we got a lot more on Cavs overall so that's a positive.  For anyone not involved already the 4/1 outright/6/4 eastern conf (both at bald) are worthy of a decent investment.  Raptors outright/conference obviously shorter as well.  Cavs really have added some quality bench players to their core squad now and are flying currently.  They look to be peaking just at the right time of the season.  Their glaring weakness earlier in the season was big bodies doing the dirty work in the paint and this signing below has helped to sort that issue out.  Their squad looks very balanced and loaded now.  Obviously they have the best player in the league on top as well just as a bonus.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12377400/kendrick-perkins-picked-cleveland-cavaliers-los-angeles-clippers-play-lebron

http://www.oddschecker.com/basketball/nba/nba-championship/winner

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nba/story/_/id/12378512/jon-greenberg-chicago-bulls-season-feels-derrick-rose-injury

Rondo update - bet is already dead effectively but here is an explanation of what has probably been going on behind the scenes regarding his dramatic drop off in his stats.  His stats in 25 games for Dallas are as follows:  averaged 9.0 points, 6.2 assists and 2.9 turnovers in 25 games with the Mavs,

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/_/id/12378645/rajon-rondo-coach-rick-carlisle-shouting-match-dallas-mavericks-win

Spurs have lost 3 straight and their divisional bet is as good as dead.  The current 7/1 quotes are comically short.

Portland Div bet starting to come under pressure.  They are only a 1/4 shot now as OKC keep turning the heat up (only 5 games behind them now).

[JoeBeevers]

One thing leads to another, once we start debating Fred issues it just absorbs more time than I have available, but I need to make a point here.

At least 4 of those who no longer Post have connections to BE. (I should have mentioned Joe Beevers earlier, who has helped blonde more any almost anyone I know, knew I'd forgot a few!).

Broadly speaking, the BE boys got quite a bit of flak for various reasons, & so they don't post here any more. In their spot, neither would I, the serial sniping was not necessary or nice.

For the record, I greatly admire all the Team at BE for what they are trying to do with BE, they are trying to earn a living, & working very hard at it, so good luck to them.

When a Fred regular becomes part of BE, perhaps partly based on Fred contributions, well personally, I'm proud & pleased for them, why would anyone not be?

blonde benefits from a BE Affiliate deal, we have never made any secret of that. There is not a Forum on earth that does not have affiliate deals in place, it is not in any way improper.

Its a fine & immensely difficult line to tread, though, running what amounts to a subscription based tipping service, & at the same time, giving freebies to Fred.

Amazing how complex things become, eh?

Just to recap Tony.

Is there any reason you continue to fight the BE cause yet seem ambivalent to the fact your own thread/forum, which has clearly been targeted by some people to feather their own interests is dying out?

Some of the guys you are referring to have targeted your forum for their benefit, taken contributors off your forum and actively spammed this thread with affiliate deals where they benefit if your clients/posters/friends lose money with certain bookmakers if they have signed up thru the affiliate links. Was that how you saw this working when it had many contributors and many pages being filled each day in the previous years?

I doubt it very much.

The guy running the thread is also not allowed to put up bets on the thread he is running because he also works for BE. You don't mention that as being a quite ridiculous state of affairs in the smoke blowing.

The regular guys that have left have probably just seen the light tbh. So we now have a punting thread that was vibrant and fun where a big % of the posters don't put bets up and don't post elsewhere anymore.

Can you tell me if any of those points are untrue or do they fall under your unfair flak description?

Hi Phil,

Your various comments on various Blonde threads are so misplaced it really has me wondering...and your attacks, on Tighty in-particular, are just mind boggling.

Your post above is just wrong on so many levels, including factually, and it is posts like this that are much more damaging to Fred that anyone setting up a business like BE could ever be. I have posted my thoughts on this before and did not intend to repeat myself, although it would appear that you either didn't read them or chose to ignore what we were saying.

I am offended by the tone of your posts and the way that you try to twist things.

Let's just for one example look at this:

“The guy running the thread is also not allowed to put up bets on the thread “

Why refer to Rich as 'the guy running the thread'? Is that meant to sound derisory or something? Why not use his name? Where do you get these ideas from? Who has 'not allowed' him to post tips?

Then when Rich 'the guy running the thread' answers you totally fairly, pointing out his many contributions, you posted...

“...What NFL bets did you put up on BE this year and how many made it as tips by you on here? …”

Are you for real? Why do you see BE and TfT as mutually exclusive, that is just not the way it is. You say that he is 'not allowed to put up bets...' that is just a lie and twisted...disingenuous at best.

Rich and Tikay (also targeted by you) do more for this thread than anyone.

I have to ask...

Do you think that anyone posting on TfT shouldn't be allowed to post anywhere else or do any work anywhere else?

I'm a bit confused...

Do you think that Neil and I should never have started our business up?

Or do you think we should be allowed that privilege but we should never post here again?

I know when Neil posted similar questions people wanted us to continue posting.

Or do you just think that no one should set up a business?

We have not taken any contributors off this forum and we never targeted Blonde in the way you suggest in your diatribe. Whatever negative and nasty picture you have in your head is just wrong. Do you actually read what goes in here? I guess you just see what you want to see and make the rest up.

Yes we have bookmaker affiliate deals, how exactly do you think they might work? You try to make it sound like we are doing something wrong, and we aren't. I'll answer your posts in the dedicated BE thread separately in more detail regarding this. Maybe you never worked for a bookmaker or a poker site...

After launching BE Neil was posting just as much as before and following the sale of THM I was now posting more, giving advice and posting the odd bet. Your 90% don't get paid 10% get paid analogy is just wrong and inaccurate. I don't think you realise how much work we do at BE. Or do you think that our writers should work for hundreds of hours for no reward and post all our lengthy write ups and analysis on TfT? We were continuing to post just as much free content here following the launch of BE. It's not an either / or situation.

It is posts such as yours that are EXACTLY the reason some people, including Neil and I, have stopped posting here and nothing to do with BE at all. Can you blame us?

You have succeeded in getting Neil, myself and others to stop posting here. Carry on attacking Tikay and Tighty and you might get rid of everyone. Well done, happy now?

[exstream]

The European super team Arsenal tonight are the same price as what they are vs Everton in a weeks time, both games at home.
Are Monaco that bad? Never watched them but just looking at both prices, seems ridiculous.

[exstream]

You have succeeded in getting Neil, myself and others to stop posting here. Carry on attacking Tikay and Tighty and you might get rid of everyone. Well done, happy now?

Don't let the haters win.

[doubleup]

Yes we have bookmaker affiliate deals, how exactly do you think they might work? You try to make it sound like we are doing something wrong, and we aren't. I'll answer your posts in the dedicated BE thread separately in more detail regarding this. Maybe you never worked for a bookmaker or a poker site...

Why don't you answer this here?

Betting exchange and poker affiliate deals give the affiliate a % of rake and it is in the interests of the affiliate have his customers win as they will keep generating rake.  Bookmaking affiliates (in general) make money only when their customers lose.

(Just saying)

[JoeBeevers]

Yes we have bookmaker affiliate deals, how exactly do you think they might work? You try to make it sound like we are doing something wrong, and we aren't. I'll answer your posts in the dedicated BE thread separately in more detail regarding this. Maybe you never worked for a bookmaker or a poker site...

Why don't you answer this here?

Betting exchange and poker affiliate deals give the affiliate a % of rake and it is in the interests of the affiliate have his customers win as they will keep generating rake.  Bookmaking affiliates (in general) make money only when their customers lose.

(Just saying)

I didn't want to repeat myself and the questions were asked in the other thread. I felt the answer fitted better there. As you request, I'll post that here too.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=60211.765

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Quote from: bobby1 on February 24, 2015, 02:38:56 PM
Quote from: TightEnd on February 24, 2015, 01:20:48 PM
the message reads

"If you've had your Sportingbet account restricted in the past we may be able to get you back in action there. Email support@bettingemporium.com"

worth a shot/nothing to lose

Prepare to be given a list of things you can't do, like bet on horses in the morning, bet ew in races they don't like and can only bet to win a pretty small amount.

Of course there is also the option of opening a new account using the affiliate link that BE have with a Sportingbet. Where when you lose they win, so it makes a difference to them if you can get more on. Do people that get re activated with Sporting Bet  by BE get moved on to the BE affiliate deal upon reactivation Rich?

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Phil,

What's it got to do with you and why do you care?

Yes we have various affiliation deals with bookmakers. Yes our business makes money from those affiliations. Some are based on profits and some on turn over or CPA. There is nothing at all wrong with that - it's all pretty standard. The deal we have affects the punter in no way whatsoever. The only difference or benefit a punter may have through signing up through BE is that we have some offers that are not generally available and often more importantly we have great relations in the industry that can help sometimes.

If our members only bet on our suggested selections they would win. It's that simple and we would be very happy if that was all they did. Betting £10 a point on all bets is showing a profit of over £13,000 (an average bet would be about £150 or 15 points). Do you think that our members should not be entitled to use their accounts how they wish? Should they have other bets that lose we may earn from our affiliation. We are running a business and we make no apology for that. It's one of the ways that we make money running our business. Or do you not think that people should run businesses? We are running a business that employs staff and pays taxes. Do you think we should do all the work we do and all the energy we spend on running it for free or something?


With regards to Sportingbet. They are aware that a number of accounts in the past have been heavily restricted. They also know that we are aware of a lot of these and a lot of BE members are restricted. Yes there may be certain rules that accounts have to follow to get unrestricted such as not always backing horses in the morning or night before that shorten or not line tracking on Oddschecker. If by agreeing to things like that you can get your account unrestricted so you can use it then great. It you don't want to agree to that then that is your loss. We have succeeded in getting a number of accounts unrestricted already and have many happy punters. Some have even thanked us for helping them to understand why accounts get restricted and what bookmakers look for.

Fair play is better than no play.

I'm a bit confused. Do you think that everyone should be able to bet on anything for any amount at any time of the night or day? You seem disappointed that you can't and you seem to be criticising us as a result. Do you think you could have a word with your bosses at Bet365 to get my 0.1% account unrestricted please?

So take your cynicism elsewhere Mr Quayle. I would have thought someone who had been in the industry working for high profile bookmakers would know better. Or are you just having another snipe at BE and our business?

Adz, If your account is restricted as you say then you wouldn't have been able to get the £50 ew without contacting @sportingbetruss on Twitter first. If you would like your account looked at we can get that sorted out for you. We have a good success rate but it's not 100%, some accounts are unsalvageable and we'll explain details if you email us. Please email full name and username to support@bettingemporium.com and we'll see if we can help.

With regards to the Cheltenham Preview night, yes Sportingbet and Sky will be doing special offers and enhanced prices for attendees. Why not come along and meet the people involved? You might just learn something, have some fun, and get a decent bet at the same time.

[arbboy]

I don't understand why anyone who wants to keep their account open as long as possible would open it via a link to a successful tipping site?  Being linked to a successful tipping site via your sign up method is going to get your account closed quicker than just signing up 'blind'.

I have no issue with you running your business to make money from links like you do i just don't understand why anyone would choose to flag up their account from sign up as being linked with a winning tipping line.  Equally i struggle to understand why a bookmaker would want to pay a site like yours to bring winning customers in general to their site who they are predominately just going to close their accounts within a few bets in most cases.  I appreciate there will be some customers who bet other stuff/play the casino etc but surely not that many?

[exstream]

Unrelated/related?
If I signed up to one of the bookmakers listed on bettingemporium, how long would an account only betting BE's tips last I wonder lol. (Not a dig!)

[doubleup]

I didn't want to repeat myself and the questions were asked in the other thread. I felt the answer fitted better there. As you request, I'll post that here too.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=60211.765

ah I see - I misunderstood and thought your "answer" was going to be on the BE site, not the thread in blonde.

Anyway it is an obvious conflict of interest to be charging for tips and also getting paid by the bookmaker if the tips lose.  Your defence that the tips win, obviously works to an extent, but I think you should acknowledge the conflict exists.

[doubleup]

BTW I personally would like to thank Hector Doobs in particular (and the many others) who continue to post in the thread oblivious of any politics.

[FUN4FRASER]

Phil  , I've known you for years and know you're a rational and pragmatic person so I can only assume for you to post in that manner it must be what you consider to be a legitimate grievance

However , its such a shame that a thread that started out as a" bit of fun" with the idea to "  band together and kick the bookies backsides " constantly turns into  juvenile squabbles

I effectively stopped posting here because of this reason , In a nutshell I couldn't be bothered as we all know in the punting/poker business negative energy can effect ones state of mind.

Tikay & Tighty put in a lot of work in here do updates ,placing bets etc. and are forever trying to keep the peace so it would be a shame for them or the thread to cease .

Healthy Debate & Differences of Opinion are essential but for the longevity of the thread lets keep it cool and treat each other in a respectful & adult manner

[bobby1]

One thing leads to another, once we start debating Fred issues it just absorbs more time than I have available, but I need to make a point here.

At least 4 of those who no longer Post have connections to BE. (I should have mentioned Joe Beevers earlier, who has helped blonde more any almost anyone I know, knew I'd forgot a few!).

Broadly speaking, the BE boys got quite a bit of flak for various reasons, & so they don't post here any more. In their spot, neither would I, the serial sniping was not necessary or nice.

For the record, I greatly admire all the Team at BE for what they are trying to do with BE, they are trying to earn a living, & working very hard at it, so good luck to them.

When a Fred regular becomes part of BE, perhaps partly based on Fred contributions, well personally, I'm proud & pleased for them, why would anyone not be?

blonde benefits from a BE Affiliate deal, we have never made any secret of that. There is not a Forum on earth that does not have affiliate deals in place, it is not in any way improper.

Its a fine & immensely difficult line to tread, though, running what amounts to a subscription based tipping service, & at the same time, giving freebies to Fred.

Amazing how complex things become, eh?

Just to recap Tony.

Is there any reason you continue to fight the BE cause yet seem ambivalent to the fact your own thread/forum, which has clearly been targeted by some people to feather their own interests is dying out?

Some of the guys you are referring to have targeted your forum for their benefit, taken contributors off your forum and actively spammed this thread with affiliate deals where they benefit if your clients/posters/friends lose money with certain bookmakers if they have signed up thru the affiliate links. Was that how you saw this working when it had many contributors and many pages being filled each day in the previous years?

I doubt it very much.

The guy running the thread is also not allowed to put up bets on the thread he is running because he also works for BE. You don't mention that as being a quite ridiculous state of affairs in the smoke blowing.

The regular guys that have left have probably just seen the light tbh. So we now have a punting thread that was vibrant and fun where a big % of the posters don't put bets up and don't post elsewhere anymore.

Can you tell me if any of those points are untrue or do they fall under your unfair flak description?

Hi Phil,

Your various comments on various Blonde threads are so misplaced it really has me wondering...and your attacks, on Tighty in-particular, are just mind boggling.

Your post above is just wrong on so many levels, including factually, and it is posts like this that are much more damaging to Fred that anyone setting up a business like BE could ever be. I have posted my thoughts on this before and did not intend to repeat myself, although it would appear that you either didn't read them or chose to ignore what we were saying.

I am offended by the tone of your posts and the way that you try to twist things.

Let's just for one example look at this:

“The guy running the thread is also not allowed to put up bets on the thread “

Why refer to Rich as 'the guy running the thread'? Is that meant to sound derisory or something? Why not use his name? Where do you get these ideas from? Who has 'not allowed' him to post tips?

Then when Rich 'the guy running the thread' answers you totally fairly, pointing out his many contributions, you posted...

“...What NFL bets did you put up on BE this year and how many made it as tips by you on here? …”

Are you for real? Why do you see BE and TfT as mutually exclusive, that is just not the way it is. You say that he is 'not allowed to put up bets...' that is just a lie and twisted...disingenuous at best.

Rich and Tikay (also targeted by you) do more for this thread than anyone.

I have to ask...

Do you think that anyone posting on TfT shouldn't be allowed to post anywhere else or do any work anywhere else?

I'm a bit confused...

Do you think that Neil and I should never have started our business up?

Or do you think we should be allowed that privilege but we should never post here again?

I know when Neil posted similar questions people wanted us to continue posting.

Or do you just think that no one should set up a business?

We have not taken any contributors off this forum and we never targeted Blonde in the way you suggest in your diatribe. Whatever negative and nasty picture you have in your head is just wrong. Do you actually read what goes in here? I guess you just see what you want to see and make the rest up.

Yes we have bookmaker affiliate deals, how exactly do you think they might work? You try to make it sound like we are doing something wrong, and we aren't. I'll answer your posts in the dedicated BE thread separately in more detail regarding this. Maybe you never worked for a bookmaker or a poker site...

After launching BE Neil was posting just as much as before and following the sale of THM I was now posting more, giving advice and posting the odd bet. Your 90% don't get paid 10% get paid analogy is just wrong and inaccurate. I don't think you realise how much work we do at BE. Or do you think that our writers should work for hundreds of hours for no reward and post all our lengthy write ups and analysis on TfT? We were continuing to post just as much free content here following the launch of BE. It's not an either / or situation.

It is posts such as yours that are EXACTLY the reason some people, including Neil and I, have stopped posting here and nothing to do with BE at all. Can you blame us?

You have succeeded in getting Neil, myself and others to stop posting here. Carry on attacking Tikay and Tighty and you might get rid of everyone. Well done, happy now?

Joe,

I don't have time to reply properly right now and I might choose to reply to you via PM but the sense of entitlement in your reply is the only breathtaking thing I can see. For example why would the amount of work BE takes to run have any relevance to how this thread has died a death?

The people that aren't posting I refer to are genuine regular guys that choose not to post anymore and speaking to some of them it is because they have the same feelings as I do. This became a place targeted by BE for their benefit and in turn went from a community forum to a section of closed sub groups on the back of that.

I'm not sure why understanding affiliates would make me less likely to find it distasteful either. Maybe I have misunderstood what you mean. What made you think targeting regular guys on here for you to benefit from the money they lose was going to endear you to those people or the people that just frequent the thread but don't sign up?

Cheers