Independence Referendum

[Kmac84]

Labour somehow got The Scotsman to pull that story, they are running scared. 

[Woodsey]

Labour somehow got The Scotsman to pull that story, they are running scared. 

Did you go to the same school of propaganda as this guy mate?   

[Kmac84]

Its hardly propoganda is it?  The story was there, it was verified by people on the ground within the constituency and then it was gone when Jola looked like a stutterring buffoon.  It may not have been Labour, but certainly someone in Better Together got it pulled. 

Why you still posting here anyway, thought you didn't care?

[Woodsey]

Its hardly propoganda is it?  The story was there, it was verified by people on the ground within the constituency and then it was gone when Jola looked like a stutterring buffoon.  It may not have been Labour, but certainly someone in Better Together got it pulled. 

Why you still posting here anyway, thought you didn't care?

I'm talking about the thread generally not just that one post.

Just here for the banter mate, and to give you some grief when your hopes and dreams have been crushed by the no vote lol 

You don't think you can get rid of me that easy do you? 

[Somerled]

It's becoming more cultist with every passing day. What really worries me is the way the thes Yessers are not prepared to see a single weakness in anything said by the Yes campaign. They seem to be utterly blinded by the end goal.

Folk have openly admitted to me that they don't care how Independence is achieved, so long as it is achieved. If this means lying, burying evidence, hiding ones views and principles then so be it. If the Holy Grail is achieved then the ends justify the means. Personally I find this quite hideous.

I am 100% for people having more say and control over their lives. But there is nothing whatsoever to suggest that this will be the case in an iScotland. The White Paper's statements on alcohol alone should be enough to terrify most folk. "Just vote Yes and we'll take care of you and decide what's best for you" seems to be the attitude. And as for the SNP presenting themselves as some caring left wing socialist party, it's just hilarious. But if they can persude enough folk that they've nothing to lose so might as well have a gamble, then they might just manage it.

[arbboy]

It's becoming more cultist with every passing day. What really worries me is the way the thes Yessers are not prepared to see a single weakness in anything said by the Yes campaign. They seem to be utterly blinded by the end goal.

Folk have openly admitted to me that they don't care how Independence is achieved, so long as it is achieved. If this means lying, burying evidence, hiding ones views and principles then so be it. If the Holy Grail is achieved then the ends justify the means. Personally I find this quite hideous.

I am 100% for people having more say and control over their lives. But there is nothing whatsoever to suggest that this will be the case in an iScotland. The White Paper's statements on alcohol alone should be enough to terrify most folk. "Just vote Yes and we'll take care of you and decide what's best for you" seems to be the attitude. And as for the SNP presenting themselves as some caring left wing socialist party, it's just hilarious. But if they can persude enough folk that they've nothing to lose so might as well have a gamble, then they might just manage it.

great post.

[Woodsey]

It's becoming more cultist with every passing day. What really worries me is the way the thes Yessers are not prepared to see a single weakness in anything said by the Yes campaign. They seem to be utterly blinded by the end goal.

Folk have openly admitted to me that they don't care how Independence is achieved, so long as it is achieved. If this means lying, burying evidence, hiding ones views and principles then so be it. If the Holy Grail is achieved then the ends justify the means. Personally I find this quite hideous.

I am 100% for people having more say and control over their lives. But there is nothing whatsoever to suggest that this will be the case in an iScotland. The White Paper's statements on alcohol alone should be enough to terrify most folk. "Just vote Yes and we'll take care of you and decide what's best for you" seems to be the attitude. And as for the SNP presenting themselves as some caring left wing socialist party, it's just hilarious. But if they can persude enough folk that they've nothing to lose so might as well have a gamble, then they might just manage it.

To be honest mate the one eyed view shown on here is the only reason I'm taking the piss a bit, and it deserves to have the piss taken out of it for being utterly ridiculous. At least if they made their case and were a bit more even handed with the pros and cons you could take them more seriously.

[david3103]

what happens the day after a win for No with 50.x%?
Will the Yessers continue to work for Independence?
By any means?

[maccol]

what happens the day after a win for No with 50.x%?
Will the Yessers continue to work for Independence?
By any means?

They will return to being the in-fighting , head up their own arse, delusionists they were before they wrapped themselves in the St Andrews cross and found a rallying cry.

[Somerled]

what happens the day after a win for No with 50.x%?
Will the Yessers continue to work for Independence?
By any means?

They will return to being the in-fighting , head up their own arse, delusionists they were before they wrapped themselves in the St Andrews cross and found a rallying cry.

Roughly what I'd have said. May have used different words though! 

[Marky147]

LOL

[TightEnd]

The savage racism turning Scotland into a no-go zone for the English

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2745565/Savage-racism-turning-Scotland-no-zone-English.html#ixzz3CXnlFB5j

Why so few “no thanks” posters or union flags? “Because we don’t want our windows smashed or tyres slashed,” some no voters reply.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/04/-sp-scottish-independence-momentum-yes-country-divided


the Yes campaign is really that threatening and anti-english?

suppose somerlad and maccol would say yes, kmac no

seems a shame.

[Somerled]

The savage racism turning Scotland into a no-go zone for the English

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2745565/Savage-racism-turning-Scotland-no-zone-English.html#ixzz3CXnlFB5j

Why so few “no thanks” posters or union flags? “Because we don’t want our windows smashed or tyres slashed,” some no voters reply.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/04/-sp-scottish-independence-momentum-yes-country-divided


the Yes campaign is really that threatening and anti-english?

suppose somerlad and maccol would say yes, kmac no

seems a shame.

haven't found it particularly threatening, but then I'm fairly thick skinned.

There is a large anti-English element, although its referred to as anti-Tory or anti-Westminster but when quizzed most Yessers seem to have the view that everyone in England votes Tory so they're all Tories. It's become more of an anti-anyone who has a different point of view.

A lot as well is folk who've never had a political view in their life, and indeed have no knowledge at all, but are promised a Utopia where everyone will be better off so they'll turn out to vote Yes. I hate to think what'll happen if we get a Yes vote and then a few years down the line folk realise that bugger all has changed and in fact we're all worse off. I sometimes wish I shared this blind faith that everything will be great but I just can't.

Everything negative is described by the Yessers as scaremongering. When my parents told me to look both ways for traffic before crossing the road I didn't think that was scaremongering. The SNP would just have us charge headlong across the road because what's on the other side is worth it. Hope we don't all end up like hedgehogs.

[arbboy]

Looks to me a case of saying one thing in public to avoid the hassle/violence/eggs and once you are in the privacy of the ballot box area ticking the no box (better the devil you know).  I really think No is becoming close to a maximum bet at the prices once the hype dies down and reality sets in and people realise the bully boy tactics that are taking place from the yes vote.

[celtic]

I'm not voting. So no axe to grind. But the behaviour of some of the yes voters is a complete embarrassment.

Somerled seems to make some decent posts. Not saw much anti English stuff up here.