Arsenal FC a very promising story

[muckthenuts]

Fair enough Ramsey and Flamini doesn't work at all but that should be the last game we're ever forced to endure it. Otherwise (with the exception of Theo) everyone played pretty decently, we got unlucky in some spots and their keeper had an absolute dream of a game. We would have won this game by 2 or 3 another day.

Piers Morgan is just a pleb. Liverpool and Spurs have spent no lack of money, as have Man U in recent times - that's led to great results hasn't it? Not to mention his tweet stops short before mentioning who he would buy exactly, like what happens on Football Manager on the PC can somehow also happen in real life too.

[BigAdz]

Probably aimed at me Adz rather than you

No George, Adz is correct in a way although he does seem to take everything I say in a very personal manner. I'm not sure what is snide about it though.

My remark was aimed at him and all of the others like him for the constant trolling after every sub-optimal result, and the lack of any positive comment after any good performances.

On the plus side we only have another eight more negative comments to put up with in this cycle.

Oh my. If I didn't know you were in your seventies I would say you were a teenager.

Trolling?

Who am I trolling? The team? Wenger himself? Pretty sure neither read here.

I asked a question and got a well thought out answer from someone who doesn't think they own the thread. I made a response, and as ever you claim I am not a fan because it doesn't marry up with your views, or I am not cheering our constant underperformance vs potential.

Stop trying to dress me up as the bad guy please, and give us your opinions and the proper adult interaction we know you are capable of.

[BigAdz]

Fair enough Ramsey and Flamini doesn't work at all but that should be the last game we're ever forced to endure it. Otherwise (with the exception of Theo) everyone played pretty decently, we got unlucky in some spots and their keeper had an absolute dream of a game. We would have won this game by 2 or 3 another day.

Piers Morgan is just a pleb. Liverpool and Spurs have spent no lack of money, as have Man U in recent times - that's led to great results hasn't it? Not to mention his tweet stops short before mentioning who he would buy exactly, like what happens on Football Manager on the PC can somehow also happen in real life too.

I don't think we are playing that bad tbh.

Always man enough to admit when I am wrong though, and I have said on here I thought with Walcott and Giroud we had the firepower to knock over games like last night. General fan opinion was against me on that, and it's clear  to me now, we do need more up front.
However, someone else should have admitted this too and acted.
I don't buy this, who is out there etc? We have enough money that everyone is out there!

[George2Loose]

Wenger picked Campbell over Walcott yesterday. Campbell offers a lot in terms of work rate but has he the quality?

[BigAdz]

Wenger picked Campbell over Walcott yesterday. Campbell offers a lot in terms of work rate but has he the quality?

On their day, they all three look top drawer, but the day is now, and they aren't producing.

[George2Loose]

Does seem like deja vu. Wengers interviews always seem the same too. Talks a lot about fighting and spirit neither of which seem to have existed in the Arsenal squad since Viera et al left

[tikay]

Some of this seems a bit short term thinking to me.

20 years of outstanding performance that few teams can match.

The current squad has some of the best players Arsenal have ever had, & watching them is, for the most part, a glorious sight, especially the likes of Ozil & Sanchez, but not just them, some good youngsters, too.

They've have a bad month, for sure, no denying that, but I don't think it makes sense when judging these things, these long term projects as they are called these days, to make judgements based on a 4 week period. Up at Man U, LVG is getting beaten up a treat, lose 2 games in a row, he's an idiot, win a few games & it all goes quiet. Think we look at there things too short term.

Until very recently, Arsenal had scored more EPL points in the last  calendar year than any other team, I seem to recall. That's maybe changed now - I fancy Leicester might be top of that list now, or nearly so, but I'm sure nobody begrudges them that.

Great team, play lovely football, wonderful stadium, (nearly paid for), finances in tip top order, & much of that is down to AW. I hope he stays at the helm for a while yet, hard to think of many who could do what he has done. We don't really want to be part of this "change the Manager every 2 seasons" thing. Leave that to the more common clubs, who lack class. 

Age? He's a mere 66. Ralph is older than that.       

[George2Loose]

If you're judging it long term Teeks he should've gone ages ago.

I'm judging this on the past few years. They always start well- people think they've cracked it and they fall away.

Maybe they still will win the league- I was pretty convinced of it a few weeks ago but now I'm not sure and I think that lack of belief is replicated in this squad. There's no winners in there. No leaders.

Time will tell- as with City announcing that Pelle is leaving.

Best chance ever for Spurs to win the title imo. Still can't take Leicester seriously! Pity United couldn't get their shit together this year because it doesn't seem like anyone wants it

[POWWWWWWWW]

Fair enough Ramsey and Flamini doesn't work at all but that should be the last game we're ever forced to endure it. Otherwise (with the exception of Theo) everyone played pretty decently, we got unlucky in some spots and their keeper had an absolute dream of a game. We would have won this game by 2 or 3 another day.

Piers Morgan is just a pleb. Liverpool and Spurs have spent no lack of money, as have Man U in recent times - that's led to great results hasn't it? Not to mention his tweet stops short before mentioning who he would buy exactly, like what happens on Football Manager on the PC can somehow also happen in real life too.

I don't think we are playing that bad tbh.

Always man enough to admit when I am wrong though, and I have said on here I thought with Walcott and Giroud we had the firepower to knock over games like last night. General fan opinion was against me on that, and it's clear  to me now, we do need more up front.
However, someone else should have admitted this too and acted.
I don't buy this, who is out there etc? We have enough money that everyone is out there!

You had the chance a few years ago to break the bank and get Suarez and win the league every year but you settled for Wellbeck and the FA cup. Pretty much sums modern Arsenal up and probably why a lot of the fans are fed up.

[tikay]

If you're judging it long term Teeks he should've gone ages ago.

I'm judging this on the past few years. They always start well- people think they've cracked it and they fall away.

Maybe they still will win the league- I was pretty convinced of it a few weeks ago but now I'm not sure and I think that lack of belief is replicated in this squad. There's no winners in there. No leaders.

Time will tell- as with City announcing that Pelle is leaving.

Best chance ever for Spurs to win the title imo. Still can't take Leicester seriously! Pity United couldn't get their shit together this year because it doesn't seem like anyone wants it

Why, George?

Is 17 (?) consecutive years of finishing in the Top 4 & qualifying for the CL every season really deemed a failure these days? Not in my book it's not. Jut because they don't win the EPL does not make AW a failure.

We easily forget how badly managed teams, especially as to finance, can & do implode in a relatively short time. There was no bigger team than Leeds at one time, but they decided to start playing silly buggers with airy fairy money, & now look at them. Plenty of other examples of that, too. That ain't ever gonna happen under the current regime. 

I suppose we all have different aspirations, & different sense of entitlement.

Me, I would rather they finished Top 4 every year, entertained us with great players, proud tradition, good values, cracking Stadium, than all these coming & goings we have seen of late in the 3 big Northern Teams.

A bad month - relatively - does not change that.  Not to me, anyway.

[George2Loose]

I guess expectation is the difference.

Arsenal are expected to challenge for the title not the top 4.

As are Man City, Chelsea, United and more recently Man City.

You could argue Arsenal haven't been in a proper title race for 10 years.

Is finishing in the top 4 17 years in a row a success- undoubtedly and one which most clubs would be happy with.

Arsenal aren't most clubs. I think it's acknowledged that Wenger spent some money each season- and we're not talking about huge sums just a tweak here and there they would've perhaps won more titles.

It's a tough business at the moment and I do think that the way the club is run (as a business) they're second to none.

And I also appreciate it's tough to keep up with the likes of City and Chelsea who have basically thrown money at it to get where they are (as have United altho less successfully) but you have to question a team who time and time again seem to lack bottle. I am only judging Arsenal on their short term results because of the same pattern in previous years.

I question Wenger's desire at times. When you know you're never going to be sacked do you lack that cutting edge?

[tikay]

I guess expectation is the difference.

Arsenal are expected to challenge for the title not the top 4.

As are Man City, Chelsea, United and more recently Man City.

You could argue Arsenal haven't been in a proper title race for 10 years.

Is finishing in the top 4 17 years in a row a success- undoubtedly and one which most clubs would be happy with.

Arsenal aren't most clubs. I think it's acknowledged that Wenger spent some money each season- and we're not talking about huge sums just a tweak here and there they would've perhaps won more titles.

It's a tough business at the moment and I do think that the way the club is run (as a business) they're second to none.

And I also appreciate it's tough to keep up with the likes of City and Chelsea who have basically thrown money at it to get where they are (as have United altho less successfully) but you have to question a team who time and time again seem to lack bottle. I am only judging Arsenal on their short term results because of the same pattern in previous years.

I question Wenger's desire at times. When you know you're never going to be sacked do you lack that cutting edge?

It's not acknowledged by me. Big money signings don't always - or even often - yield the expected results. How much have Man U thrown at the Transfer Market in the last couple of years, & what effect has it had? Neither Spurs or Leicester have been splashing money around either. Sorry, but I don't buy this "spending more money is the answer" thing, it's lazy thinking.

As to his desire, I'm surprised you think that, I could not disagree more.

Don't think we'll ever agree on these things George, but the debate is fun. And yes, "expectation" is where we differ.

Someone said "that's why so many fans are complaining". Try buying a ticket to an Arsenal home game - they are among THE most pricey anywhere. Rarely a spare seat. When televised, they get top 3 ratings for football viewership.

Generally, most still love Arsenal & AW. He's like the Queen Mother, can't say better than that, can we?

[George2Loose]

Not talking about big money signings.

They needed a Centre Back for years. He wouldn't budge

They needed a quality keeper for years. He wouldn't budge

They needed, and you could argue still do, a quality Striker for years. He wouldn't budge.

I agree with you. A scattergun approach of buying for the sake of buying is how United have ended up with such an unbalanced squad although I think LVG gets a lot of stick for his signings most have been pretty decent.

[BigAdz]

I guess expectation is the difference.

Arsenal are expected to challenge for the title not the top 4.

As are Man City, Chelsea, United and more recently Man City.

You could argue Arsenal haven't been in a proper title race for 10 years.

Is finishing in the top 4 17 years in a row a success- undoubtedly and one which most clubs would be happy with.

Arsenal aren't most clubs. I think it's acknowledged that Wenger spent some money each season- and we're not talking about huge sums just a tweak here and there they would've perhaps won more titles.

It's a tough business at the moment and I do think that the way the club is run (as a business) they're second to none.

And I also appreciate it's tough to keep up with the likes of City and Chelsea who have basically thrown money at it to get where they are (as have United altho less successfully) but you have to question a team who time and time again seem to lack bottle. I am only judging Arsenal on their short term results because of the same pattern in previous years.

I question Wenger's desire at times. When you know you're never going to be sacked do you lack that cutting edge?

It's not acknowledged by me. Big money signings don't always - or even often - yield the expected results. How much have Man U thrown at the Transfer Market in the last couple of years, & what effect has it had? Neither Spurs or Leicester have been splashing money around either. Sorry, but I don't buy this "spending more money is the answer" thing, it's lazy thinking.

As to his desire, I'm surprised you think that, I could not disagree more.

Don't think we'll ever agree on these things George, but the debate is fun. And yes, "expectation" is where we differ.

Someone said "that's why so many fans are complaining". Try buying a ticket to an Arsenal home game - they are among THE most pricey anywhere. Rarely a spare seat. When televised, they get top 3 ratings for football viewership.

Generally, most still love Arsenal & AW. He's like the Queen Mother, can't say better than that, can we?

Not sure I agree with this or some earlier points Tony.

I would go to every match if I still lived in London, and could get a ticket. Just because you go/watch/buy the merchandise doesn't mean you cant think we could do better.

In a way you actually  explain yourself the reason why people complain. They pay top dollar, therefore expect to see the best. I don't spend Rolls Royce money and expect to get BMW service. Quid Pro Quo, I gather......

[tikay]

I guess expectation is the difference.

Arsenal are expected to challenge for the title not the top 4.

As are Man City, Chelsea, United and more recently Man City.

You could argue Arsenal haven't been in a proper title race for 10 years.

Is finishing in the top 4 17 years in a row a success- undoubtedly and one which most clubs would be happy with.

Arsenal aren't most clubs. I think it's acknowledged that Wenger spent some money each season- and we're not talking about huge sums just a tweak here and there they would've perhaps won more titles.

It's a tough business at the moment and I do think that the way the club is run (as a business) they're second to none.

And I also appreciate it's tough to keep up with the likes of City and Chelsea who have basically thrown money at it to get where they are (as have United altho less successfully) but you have to question a team who time and time again seem to lack bottle. I am only judging Arsenal on their short term results because of the same pattern in previous years.

I question Wenger's desire at times. When you know you're never going to be sacked do you lack that cutting edge?

It's not acknowledged by me. Big money signings don't always - or even often - yield the expected results. How much have Man U thrown at the Transfer Market in the last couple of years, & what effect has it had? Neither Spurs or Leicester have been splashing money around either. Sorry, but I don't buy this "spending more money is the answer" thing, it's lazy thinking.

As to his desire, I'm surprised you think that, I could not disagree more.

Don't think we'll ever agree on these things George, but the debate is fun. And yes, "expectation" is where we differ.

Someone said "that's why so many fans are complaining". Try buying a ticket to an Arsenal home game - they are among THE most pricey anywhere. Rarely a spare seat. When televised, they get top 3 ratings for football viewership.

Generally, most still love Arsenal & AW. He's like the Queen Mother, can't say better than that, can we?

Not sure I agree with this or some earlier points Tony.

I would go to every match if I still lived in London, and could get a ticket. Just because you go/watch/buy the merchandise doesn't mean you cant think we could do better.

In a way you actually  explain yourself the reason why people complain. They pay top dollar, therefore expect to see the best. I don't spend Rolls Royce money and expect to get BMW service. Quid Pro Quo, I gather......

Given the choice, who would you rather go watch every Saturday?

Man U

Man C

Spours

Arsenal

I know where I'd be.