Issues Arising from Staking

[stato_1]

Keys appeared massively out of lone in the Dreenie tread and whilst e probably doesnt care his opinion holds no value in staking threads anymore with his conduct there. He was possibly right in regards to guy but bring it up elsewhere.

I actually think tipping for massages is a lot more reasonable than tipping. Usually the comps take a % out for themselves ak tipping would be a huge nono. We were treat like shit in Marbella and I think Alex/Petes donation showed that. Maybe next year they will be more tolerant of us.

Massages though could really be a no difference between pay jumps, it can be a huge part of being relaxed and optimising performance, perhaps this should be though about in the mark up price. If I bought at 1.1 off somebody then I'd maybe feel sifferebt than somebody who I bought off at 1.6 although it really shouldn't make a difference of course.

I just want to point out one more thing regarding markups. Generally good players will be a lot writer at making deals and getting the nut outcome, should probably be factored
In to some extent regarding Mu even if very small.

Pretty big leap from bringing something up in the wrong place to someones (clearly very correct and well informed) opinion holding no value anymore imo.

Also I'd be amazed if you can one other person that thinks getting massages and charging them to a backer is more reasonable than chopping what is given as a tip

Have you actually read the thread? Or did someone just bash Pleno on Skype and link? Because if you read it proper you would realise its definitely not me brining something up in wrong place.

I was replying to Adams post. Once I've grammar checked after posting on the iPhone, takes considerably longer than you'd imagine, there had been a bunch of posts however again of you'd impartially read the thread you would had realised this.

Have you actually read my post?

The first line of your post infers that Keys' bringing something up in the wrong place makes his opinion on staking in valid when the two aren't related at all and basically I just think thats a pretty stupid comment. Contrary to what you probably believe, I've not spoken about you to Keys at all it's really not in the forefront of my mind whatsoever. Im 100% impartial and not sure why you would think otherwise.

[pleno1]

Obv. Off topic but is there a reason my iPhone tellers are so bad? I mean I don't have fat thumbs, in very experienced technically and def not a noob but fail so so mich?

Z

no the auto correct is ridic tilting.

even when you delete re-enter like 3 times in a row it still auto changes and it's easy to miss.



I'd still buy your hooker action dave, was just trying to get reduced markup obv :p


edit pleno I get why thought his posts were pants, just think it's ridic to then de-value his posts so much. he's not got the most cuddly online persona but it doesn't invalidate his input.

Yes I was wrong. Apologies to keys. And kisses to stato

[millidonk]

The solution to a lot of it is to write better staking threads  It is always easier to sort things out pre-event than post-event.

this.

I think we should either just flame the shit out of every staking request until people get the idea or failing that have everyone use the same template.

Good point about tips, most of the time I see the staker's ending up paying for this.

[rfgqqabc]

Keys appeared massively out of lone in the Dreenie tread and whilst e probably doesnt care his opinion holds no value in staking threads anymore with his conduct there. He was possibly right in regards to guy but bring it up elsewhere.

I actually think tipping for massages is a lot more reasonable than tipping. Usually the comps take a % out for themselves ak tipping would be a huge nono. We were treat like shit in Marbella and I think Alex/Petes donation showed that. Maybe next year they will be more tolerant of us.

Massages though could really be a no difference between pay jumps, it can be a huge part of being relaxed and optimising performance, perhaps this should be though about in the mark up price. If I bought at 1.1 off somebody then I'd maybe feel sifferebt than somebody who I bought off at 1.6 although it really shouldn't make a difference of course.

I just want to point out one more thing regarding markups. Generally good players will be a lot writer at making deals and getting the nut outcome, should probably be factored
In to some extent regarding Mu even if very small.

Pretty big leap from bringing something up in the wrong place to someones (clearly very correct and well informed) opinion holding no value anymore imo.

Also I'd be amazed if you can one other person that thinks getting massages and charging them to a backer is more reasonable than chopping what is given as a tip

Have you actually read the thread? Or did someone just bash Pleno on Skype and link? Because if you read it proper you would realise its definitely not me brining something up in wrong place.

I was replying to Adams post. Once I've grammar checked after posting on the iPhone, takes considerably longer than you'd imagine, there had been a bunch of posts however again of you'd impartially read the thread you would had realised this.

Have you actually read my post?

The first line of your post infers that Keys' bringing something up in the wrong place makes his opinion on staking in valid when the two aren't related at all and basically I just think thats a pretty stupid comment. Contrary to what you probably believe, I've not spoken about you to Keys at all it's really not in the forefront of my mind whatsoever. Im 100% impartial and not sure why you would think otherwise.

Read key's post and tell me he isn't in the wrong? Noone has highlighted it at all apart from someone who appears bias. I want a moderator who is unbiased. Key's buys and sells too much action for this in my opinion and whilst I can see he's done a great job, I've been a little scared to post, worried I'll be ripped apart, is that what the marketplace should be like?

This sounds really harsh, and I doubt key's will care too much, but something had to be said

[skolsuper]

Keys appeared massively out of lone in the Dreenie tread and whilst e probably doesnt care his opinion holds no value in staking threads anymore with his conduct there. He was possibly right in regards to guy but bring it up elsewhere.

I actually think tipping for massages is a lot more reasonable than tipping. Usually the comps take a % out for themselves ak tipping would be a huge nono. We were treat like shit in Marbella and I think Alex/Petes donation showed that. Maybe next year they will be more tolerant of us.

Massages though could really be a no difference between pay jumps, it can be a huge part of being relaxed and optimising performance, perhaps this should be though about in the mark up price. If I bought at 1.1 off somebody then I'd maybe feel sifferebt than somebody who I bought off at 1.6 although it really shouldn't make a difference of course.

I just want to point out one more thing regarding markups. Generally good players will be a lot writer at making deals and getting the nut outcome, should probably be factored
In to some extent regarding Mu even if very small.

Pretty big leap from bringing something up in the wrong place to someones (clearly very correct and well informed) opinion holding no value anymore imo.

Also I'd be amazed if you can one other person that thinks getting massages and charging them to a backer is more reasonable than chopping what is given as a tip

Have you actually read the thread? Or did someone just bash Pleno on Skype and link? Because if you read it proper you would realise its definitely not me brining something up in wrong place.

I was replying to Adams post. Once I've grammar checked after posting on the iPhone, takes considerably longer than you'd imagine, there had been a bunch of posts however again of you'd impartially read the thread you would had realised this.

Have you actually read my post?

The first line of your post infers that Keys' bringing something up in the wrong place makes his opinion on staking in valid when the two aren't related at all and basically I just think thats a pretty stupid comment. Contrary to what you probably believe, I've not spoken about you to Keys at all it's really not in the forefront of my mind whatsoever. Im 100% impartial and not sure why you would think otherwise.

Read key's post and tell me he isn't in the wrong? Noone has highlighted it at all apart from someone who appears bias. I want a moderator who is unbiased. Key's buys and sells too much action for this in my opinion and whilst I can see he's done a great job, I've been a little scared to post, worried I'll be ripped apart, is that what the marketplace should be like?

This sounds really harsh, and I doubt key's will care too much, but something had to be said

I just wanted to be nice to dreenie

[rfgqqabc]

Problem is if your nice to her and mean to others it can be misconstrued. Harsh policeman role suits your online persona. Cuddles all around. Blonde's been super tilting lately with little things getting to people. Sort it out lads!! Xox

[stato_1]

Keys appeared massively out of lone in the Dreenie tread and whilst e probably doesnt care his opinion holds no value in staking threads anymore with his conduct there. He was possibly right in regards to guy but bring it up elsewhere.

I actually think tipping for massages is a lot more reasonable than tipping. Usually the comps take a % out for themselves ak tipping would be a huge nono. We were treat like shit in Marbella and I think Alex/Petes donation showed that. Maybe next year they will be more tolerant of us.

Massages though could really be a no difference between pay jumps, it can be a huge part of being relaxed and optimising performance, perhaps this should be though about in the mark up price. If I bought at 1.1 off somebody then I'd maybe feel sifferebt than somebody who I bought off at 1.6 although it really shouldn't make a difference of course.

I just want to point out one more thing regarding markups. Generally good players will be a lot writer at making deals and getting the nut outcome, should probably be factored
In to some extent regarding Mu even if very small.

Pretty big leap from bringing something up in the wrong place to someones (clearly very correct and well informed) opinion holding no value anymore imo.

Also I'd be amazed if you can one other person that thinks getting massages and charging them to a backer is more reasonable than chopping what is given as a tip

Have you actually read the thread? Or did someone just bash Pleno on Skype and link? Because if you read it proper you would realise its definitely not me brining something up in wrong place.

I was replying to Adams post. Once I've grammar checked after posting on the iPhone, takes considerably longer than you'd imagine, there had been a bunch of posts however again of you'd impartially read the thread you would had realised this.

Have you actually read my post?

The first line of your post infers that Keys' bringing something up in the wrong place makes his opinion on staking in valid when the two aren't related at all and basically I just think thats a pretty stupid comment. Contrary to what you probably believe, I've not spoken about you to Keys at all it's really not in the forefront of my mind whatsoever. Im 100% impartial and not sure why you would think otherwise.

Read key's post and tell me he isn't in the wrong? Noone has highlighted it at all apart from someone who appears bias. I want a moderator who is unbiased. Key's buys and sells too much action for this in my opinion and whilst I can see he's done a great job, I've been a little scared to post, worried I'll be ripped apart, is that what the marketplace should be like?

This sounds really harsh, and I doubt key's will care too much, but something had to be said

I have read it and don't really see anything wrong in the content whatsoever.

What I've posted here though has absolutely nothing to do with the content of any post though.

[smashedagain]

As an aside on the exchange thing.  The cheapest way would be to excange at spot with somebody on the side, but if someone binked 200k or so, who takes the risk of them carrying that money around assuming they don't have a US dollar account?  There is clearly a non zero robbery risk, but also a non zero scam risk from the horse, and a non zero risk the personthe horse does the spot transfer with scams the horse. 

I don't know the answer, or is the answer simply make them get a us dollar account if they bink large?

Good point r.e the robbery.

Also US$ accounts aren't a quick/simple thing to set up and if you're opening one thats based outside the US or offshore you need to be there to fill forms etc.

I have $ and € accounts at Barclays but still lose shit loads in xchange. Lost 20k once in Moroccan dirham once

[titaniumbean]

[MANTIS01]

In the 'True ROI of Players' thread Lil Dave describes piece taking in tournaments as 'a punt' and I quite agree with that. There are a myriad of factors which need to align in order for the staking to be rendered a success. Variance in every hand, reliability and integrity of the horse, stake cancelled due to juicy cash game/being pissed up, good exchange rate, massages & tips, buying back hot action. I mean a lot of stuff needs to go right for the backer to make jackpot money in a one off, so it is absolutely a punt. And I don't reckon putting up OPR of online winnings gives great certainty about what will happen in a couple of multi day live events; but admittedly it helps somewhat.

Anyway, Blonde Staking Board is a free market where if you want to be a horse you have a captive audience of would be backers to pitch your punt to. Every member has an equal right to utilise that tool for their own benefit. A place where owners and mods have a laissez-faire approach themselves. So imo it is wholly inappropriate for ordinary members to take it upon themselves to critique what a punt should represent to others, esp in a live staking thread. It is a free market which should evolve without any management. Posting that player x is a bad punt with bad behaviour and attitude and is a losing player really damages that player's potential to be staked. It wouldn't be so bad if equal vigour was voiced across the board. I don't know why railtard gets kind words and outragous gets a kick in the bollocks but it seems weird and would influence neutrals.

[DMorgan]

Its a minefield out there Mantis.

Probably best steer clear really

Oh wait...

[Boba Fett]

If the player is ever gonna take the hit on the exchange rate they should just pay the backer in foreign currency and let them sort it out themselves.

[I KNOW IT]

In the 'True ROI of Players' thread Lil Dave describes piece taking in tournaments as 'a punt' and I quite agree with that. There are a myriad of factors which need to align in order for the staking to be rendered a success. Variance in every hand, reliability and integrity of the horse, stake cancelled due to juicy cash game/being pissed up, good exchange rate, massages & tips, buying back hot action. I mean a lot of stuff needs to go right for the backer to make jackpot money in a one off, so it is absolutely a punt. And I don't reckon putting up OPR of online winnings gives great certainty about what will happen in a couple of multi day live events; but admittedly it helps somewhat.

Anyway, Blonde Staking Board is a free market where if you want to be a horse you have a captive audience of would be backers to pitch your punt to. Every member has an equal right to utilise that tool for their own benefit. A place where owners and mods have a laissez-faire approach themselves. So imo it is wholly inappropriate for ordinary members to take it upon themselves to critique what a punt should represent to others, esp in a live staking thread. It is a free market which should evolve without any management. Posting that player x is a bad punt with bad behaviour and attitude and is a losing player really damages that player's potential to be staked. It wouldn't be so bad if equal vigour was voiced across the board. I don't know why railtard gets kind words and outragous gets a kick in the bollocks but it seems weird and would influence neutrals.

Mantis for staking mod

[julian]

tipping is old school & the only places i would now tip are my local (dtd) & possibly places like luton where i know many of the staff.

in the past you tipped, it went in the TDs pocket & you pretty much had no idea where it went...i look back & lol at the lack of transparency in these situations.

when pete binked in marbella recently i urged him not to tip; the organisers now usually take a % for staff as well as a reg fee & is was comical to see various floor staff cosy up to players as the big money loomed.

so yeah, if i scoop the ME next year glgl harrahs trying to get a $ out of me.

#tightisright

[cambridgealex]

Agree exchange rate losses should be swallowed by both parties but also that backers are right to feel aggrieved if the horse goes to the post office to change the $.

When Keith and Keys backed me they were always happy for me to tip what I felt right and share that too.