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bobAlike
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Re: 30 months?
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Surely the only deterrent can be more severe punishment?
3 strikes and out would be OK by me.
Definitely don't agree with this.
Yet your op seems to state 30 months isn't enough for fraud against an old biddy.
What would be enough Keith?
He gets 30 months.
Someone who gets done for shoplifting 3 times gets life.
That's as far away from fair as can be.
Why is that not fair? If that is the rule, and everyone knows that is the rule, then if you are stupid/criminal enough to commit the same crime 3 times (that we know about) then surely you deserve anything you get?
Because people sometimes commit crimes through necessity.
Ie they haven't eaten for 3 days because they are broke. They steal a scotch egg from Tescos.
Life imprisonment for that? mmmmmm
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offending for what ever reason is wrong. There organisations that help people who are starving/homeless/on drugs/alcoholics/kleptomaniacs the list goes on.
BTW Tescos scotch eggs aren't mmmmmmm
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August 21, 2012, 10:53:26 AM »
Life Imprisonment for being stupid then?
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August 21, 2012, 11:02:13 AM »
Seems reasonable to me. If even life imprisonment isn't going to stop them doing the same crime 3 times, then nothing will - they will do it time and time again. How is that fair on the people they rob?
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Re: 30 months?
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August 21, 2012, 11:23:07 AM »
cant see why you'd give em life for a tesco scotch egg but surely you have to if it's a pasty or pork pie.
they are of higher monetary value and they are far more filling, so yes lock em up !
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the sicilian
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Re: 30 months?
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August 21, 2012, 12:24:37 PM »
to me the cruelest of crimes is the deception/intimidation crime..usually perpertrated on the old and frail...tarmac drive for example and then systematically intimidate and bully the life savings out of the victim usually to the tune of about 200K for a 2K job..these are the lowest of the belly crawlers IMO and termination of their worthless lives is too good for them.....
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August 21, 2012, 12:27:50 PM »
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hard not to agree with this ....... but it's only money
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the sicilian
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August 21, 2012, 12:30:27 PM »
Quote from: treefella on August 21, 2012, 12:27:50 PM
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hard not to agree with this ....... but it's only money
disagree..the mental anguish they put the victim through is unreal..they are literally scared out of their mind
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Re: 30 months?
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August 21, 2012, 12:46:27 PM »
There has been an attempt in Brighton recently to tackle repeat offending, by realising that so many crimes are drug related and to stop the crime, you cut out the need for drugs.
The premise is simple: dealers go to prison; addicts get treatment. The treatment is abstinence-based, rather than sticking them on 50+mg of methadone a day.
The net result has been a saving of 67%. That is, the costs of putting people through treatment and support networks against locking them up for a bit on methadone and them reoffending.
Not every treatment works but you treat the cause of the crime rather than punishing the crime itself.
If someone burgled my house, stole from a close relative or assaulted me, I'd want ten minutes with a baseball bat and them chained upside down to the ceiling.
Doesn't mean that, once they are able to walk again, they won't rob someone else. Restorative justice (an eye for an eye) satisfies us but isn't designed to prevent recidivism: users know it's wrong to steal, but the addiction is more important to them at that moment.
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Quote from: the sicilian on August 21, 2012, 12:30:27 PM
Quote from: treefella on August 21, 2012, 12:27:50 PM
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hard not to agree with this ....... but it's only money
disagree..the mental anguish they put the victim through is unreal..they are literally scared out of their mind
Yes ok i see your point.
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August 21, 2012, 03:36:20 PM »
A pretty simple way to stop this kind of thing happening would be for National Lottery to upgrade their machines so that it had a portable hand held scanning gun (so you can observe the correct ticket being scanned) and for any winnings to be displayed either on the gun (that the shopkeeper can show the customer) or on a screen facing the customer (although this might be visible to other customers!). Not rocket science is it!
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Re: 30 months?
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August 21, 2012, 03:59:17 PM »
Cruellest crimes? I'd have to say paedophiles who kidnap, rape torture and slowly murder little children are right up there.
Then there are the common or garden serial killers, mutilators, torturers, kidnappers etc.
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Re: 30 months?
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Cruellest crimes? I'd have to say paedophiles who kidnap, rape torture and slowly murder little children are right up there.
Then there are the common or garden serial killers, mutilators, torturers, kidnappers etc.
Yeah, well obviously.
I was thinking of your common or garden criminal, not the mentally ill.
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Re: 30 months?
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August 21, 2012, 04:16:07 PM »
The justice system is ridic in my view.
Just look at the Ched Evans case, I still can't get my head around it.
Then you look at one I have just read on the Sky News app about two asain guys raping a 14 year old, if these people are found, they won't get much more than 5 year. It's so bad. You get some sort of long term and you are already at look at being out within half of it, you go and kill someone, you'll be out in three years. Sigh.
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August 21, 2012, 04:22:33 PM »
if something terrible happened to ur nearest and dearest would you let the justice system do its job or would you seek your own justice??
say ur child wife was murdered or raped or both something pretty bad?
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Quote from: the sicilian on August 21, 2012, 04:22:33 PM
if something terrible happened to ur nearest and dearest would you let the justice system do its job or would you seek your own justice??
say ur child wife was murdered or raped or both something pretty bad?
I'm the softest pinko liberal you could imagine.
When my boy was about 18 months, we were playing happily together when the thought entered my mind that if a paedo touched Jake I would kill him with my bare hands.
Really shocked myself, but I honestly think I would.
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