HAVING change in tournament poker

[zerofive]

This came up a while back, I made a ton of good points, everyone agreed, nothing came of it. Since Will posted about making change, I thought I'd bring it up again.

At Dusk, a 30k stack will look like this. 8x25, 8x100, 2x500, 3x1k, 5x5k. The result is that change is asked for once per hand, sometimes requiring two people to break it down completely. Consequence being that you get 10 hands per 30 minute level, not enough hands are played so not enough players get felted, the entire field is still left in with 8bb by the third break, the otherwise incredibly structured tournament breaks down into a crapshoot.

I dealt a tournament for D-4 once where there was the TINIEST amount more change on the table, and change was requested at most once per orbit. It broke down something like this: 12x25, 12x100, 3x500, 7x1k, 4x5k. Some stacks were 2x1k and 5x5k (and then there were 2x10k chips, which was horrible, but for the sake of a 30k stack we can disregard that. A 50k stack would be more 5x5k in some stacks and 1x25k in others.)

This obviously doesn't matter for the nightly tournaments so much, but for the deepstack events it saves all the frustration of this thread from manifesting.

Thoughts? Rob/Nick/Simon is there any reason this wouldn't work?

[George2Loose]

Miss the days when u started with no 5k chips

[Boba Fett]

I think the 30k starting stack for the deepstack this weekend had 4x5k chips so had more change.  There wasnt a whole lot of change having to be made so it wasnt that bad.  One thing Id like to see is if someone is moved tables early in a tourney and has a bunch of change, the dealer/TD prompting them to sell a good chunk of it back to the table before leaving

[Cf]

Played at Grosvenor last night. A 20k stack was: 3x5k, 3x1k, 3x500, 4x100, 4x25. Shocking.

I think 8x25/100 is a minimum. 12x should be the standard.

Should get at least 4x500 rather than the 2x which seems standard.

And anything up to 10k should be in 1k chips.

For above that I'm happy for 5k chips to be used instead.

So for the 30k deepstack I'd do:

12 x 25
12 x 100
5 x 500
6 x 1000
4 x 5000

[TL900]

250x 100 chips 200 x 25 chips imo

[JK]

Honestly, if it was up to me, there'd be WSOP change on all tables! Its really not amazingly difficult as a dealer to count these stacks.

Seriously though, what you say about the stacks is spot on Sean. It was sooo much easier when I dealt Goliath (where they had the same thing). Its not just annoying for players, us dealers feel bad keep asking the same guy for change every hand lol

[strak33]

I love the change.

I only play live to build a stack

[Cf]

I love the change.

I only play live to build a stack

Love stack building.

Was something I used to find awesome at DTD.

Now they chip up like everywhere else

[jgcblack]

250x 100 chips 200 x 25 chips imo
or
100x100, 800x25
or
box of lego at table for castle building....        (instructions are optional)

fyp

[tight4better]

Stack building is fun for everyone (well 99%..), dunno why this can't be put in place.

 

[celtic]

Lots of change is fine, until people start counting out a call of 400 in 25's

 

[jgcblack]

Lots of change is fine, until people start counting out a call of 400 in 25's

 

people that do this are 'changed' up at the end of the hand until they learn their lesson.

[scotty77]

Played at Grosvenor last night. A 20k stack was: 3x5k, 3x1k, 3x500, 4x100, 4x25. Shocking.

I think 8x25/100 is a minimum. 12x should be the standard.

Should get at least 4x500 rather than the 2x which seems standard.

And anything up to 10k should be in 1k chips.

For above that I'm happy for 5k chips to be used instead.

So for the 30k deepstack I'd do:

12 x 25
12 x 100
5 x 500
6 x 1000
4 x 5000

seems perfect.  it always confuses me at the lack of the 500s at DTD!

BUT any reason why each dealer can't have a float of change?  Just 1k in 25s/100s?

[shipitonetime]

Great idea to make this thread. Long overdue imo. Definitely need a little more change at least. Agree with scotty and cf.

[blueace]

Agree more change from outset. When Ryan (dtd) goes for my stack later on in a torn, i threaten him with no tip if I cash. Unfortunately didnt follow throught last time tho..