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« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2013, 03:52:12 PM » |
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Just because someone is a sick player doesn't always mean they're always about to pull some move on you.
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« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2013, 04:00:50 PM » |
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check turn then raise river, watch JP squirm in is seat
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« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2013, 04:06:09 PM » |
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Just because someone is a sick player doesn't always mean they're always about to pull some move on you.
Yeh amir is right and this is a common misconception amongst the poker playing population. I used to find myself do it too, I'd be heads up in a pot vs Keith or someone I perceived to be miles better than me and start checking back Aces or flatting AK pre to their opens in obvious betting/3betting spots, and it's just a terrible way of adjusting to them. It's this sort of thing that is one of the reasons hellmuth is so successful - people play terrible vs him. I find it helps me a ton being a recognisable face in Dtd etc, that ppl expect me to always be pulling "sick" bluffs or moves vs them so people make terrible adjustments and do things like Guy says. It gets me loads of free showdowns (people checking back sets on the river because the flush got there etc) and gets my vbets and raises paid because people always expect me to be doing something crazy. The reality is 99% of hands are played completely "standardly" and getting out of line vs unknowns in live tournaments almost never happens. |
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« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2013, 04:10:07 PM » |
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Just because someone is a sick player doesn't always mean they're always about to pull some move on you.
No but there arent many better flops than paired and flushing if he is going to! |
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« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2013, 04:15:34 PM » |
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Ok lets role reverse now so all stacks and pos are the same except I'm actually the BB and JP is the OR due to the fact I'm a rec and JP is a legit sicko does everyone still play the hand exactly the same to the river?
JP does know me btw as we started playing live at Luton at a similar time yrs ago obv he operates on a different level and probs would perceive me on the tighter side and will know this is a big tournament for me.
How do you play the streets as JP in pos with all the same action?
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« Reply #50 on: January 17, 2013, 04:28:31 PM » |
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Ok lets role reverse now so all stacks and pos are the same except I'm actually the BB and JP is the OR due to the fact I'm a rec and JP is a legit sicko does everyone still play the hand exactly the same to the river?
JP does know me btw as we started playing live at Luton at a similar time yrs ago obv he operates on a different level and probs would perceive me on the tighter side and will know this is a big tournament for me.
How do you play the streets as JP in pos with all the same action?
thats a bit of a tricky question as its such an easily dominated hand I can't see you seeing a flop with it? Or is K5 ok nowadays to call raises oop? |
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« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2013, 04:35:49 PM » |
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Ok lets role reverse now so all stacks and pos are the same except I'm actually the BB and JP is the OR due to the fact I'm a rec and JP is a legit sicko does everyone still play the hand exactly the same to the river?
JP does know me btw as we started playing live at Luton at a similar time yrs ago obv he operates on a different level and probs would perceive me on the tighter side and will know this is a big tournament for me.
How do you play the streets as JP in pos with all the same action?
thats a bit of a tricky question as its such an easily dominated hand I can't see you seeing a flop with it? Or is K5 ok nowadays to call raises oop? Sorry Gouty u misunderstood me Im BB and u dont know my hand but you know JP's who is in the H/J and opened K5cc. All actions and chips are as op it jus me n JP swapped seats. Got me? |
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« Reply #52 on: January 17, 2013, 04:37:45 PM » |
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Ok lets role reverse now so all stacks and pos are the same except I'm actually the BB and JP is the OR due to the fact I'm a rec and JP is a legit sicko does everyone still play the hand exactly the same to the river?
JP does know me btw as we started playing live at Luton at a similar time yrs ago obv he operates on a different level and probs would perceive me on the tighter side and will know this is a big tournament for me.
How do you play the streets as JP in pos with all the same action?
Are you trying to derail your own thread, or has he always had K5? I assume JP has K5 now and play is still as you suggested. The play should still be the same, as further up we are asuming we are fairly readless. I assume he views you as fairly competant, but maybe if he has read recent threads here, he puts you on a few more bluffs?  |
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« Reply #53 on: January 17, 2013, 04:49:37 PM » |
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Knew this thread would be a "my line was so strong and he doesn't know me, how can he call there?" thread  |
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« Reply #54 on: January 17, 2013, 04:50:51 PM » |
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Ok lets role reverse now so all stacks and pos are the same except I'm actually the BB and JP is the OR due to the fact I'm a rec and JP is a legit sicko does everyone still play the hand exactly the same to the river?
JP does know me btw as we started playing live at Luton at a similar time yrs ago obv he operates on a different level and probs would perceive me on the tighter side and will know this is a big tournament for me.
How do you play the streets as JP in pos with all the same action?
Are you trying to derail your own thread, or has he always had K5? I assume JP has K5 now and play is still as you suggested. The play should still be the same, as further up we are asuming we are fairly readless. I assume he views you as fairly competant, but maybe if he has read recent threads here, he puts you on a few more bluffs? No not trying to derail was trying to see view on action as played and it seemed better with me in the hj. Yes its a switcheroo so JP opens K5cc in hj btn calls I peel from BB with xx flop I ck JP Cb's btn folds I call turn I ck raise and JP peels the raise river I lead 1/2 pot and JP folds face up I work hard on concealing tells and try to reverse some obv ones and mix it up so dont think he gets a read that way and wanted to see how many people advocate a call otr where he folded and if now we have switched as its me oop does my actual line look stronger than if it was JP? |
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« Reply #55 on: January 17, 2013, 04:51:37 PM » |
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Knew this thread would be a "my line was so strong and he doesn't know me, how can he call there?" thread He folds the  face up to my bet otr  |
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« Reply #56 on: January 17, 2013, 04:52:33 PM » |
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Yeh I'd still just play it the same either way. Calling vs randoms cos can still have worse 5x. Ppl peel all sorts of suited bullshit from the bb when "priced in" so expect to call and beat 56, 57, even like Q5s and 52s.
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« Reply #57 on: January 17, 2013, 04:55:11 PM » |
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Ok lets role reverse now so all stacks and pos are the same except I'm actually the BB and JP is the OR due to the fact I'm a rec and JP is a legit sicko does everyone still play the hand exactly the same to the river?
JP does know me btw as we started playing live at Luton at a similar time yrs ago obv he operates on a different level and probs would perceive me on the tighter side and will know this is a big tournament for me.
How do you play the streets as JP in pos with all the same action?
thats a bit of a tricky question as its such an easily dominated hand I can't see you seeing a flop with it? Or is K5 ok nowadays to call raises oop? Sorry Gouty u misunderstood me Im BB and u dont know my hand but you know JP's who is in the H/J and opened K5cc. All actions and chips are as op it jus me n JP swapped seats. Got me? Yep.i got it now. This hand is all to do the image he has of you. It feels like he is trying to rep the 5 with his turn c/r to me. I tend to make a point of never playing sickos oop early in tourneys so can't really help with the reverse question. Can't wait for reveal tho. Nice thread. |
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« Reply #58 on: January 17, 2013, 04:57:56 PM » |
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Knew this thread would be a "my line was so strong and he doesn't know me, how can he call there?" thread He folds the face up to my bet otr Nice |
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« Reply #59 on: January 17, 2013, 05:10:23 PM » |
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So it was correct to bet turn in the end then? Seems like you got the max.
So many turn check raises just don't add up because if you did have anything worth doing it with you lose the customer a lot. Especially on paired boards.
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