Is this bad etiquette?

[MANTIS01]

I think it's bad etiquette to tell people "I'm really good" if you don't mean it. You gotta say that shit with conviction aaron.

[aaron1867]

Furthermore Dave, I am pretty sure you are trying to have a pop, because I am not sure why relevant? We are both in a game where there are lots of arrogant & obnoxious players, which perhaps at times is good for yourself personally.

I think it's bad etiquette to tell people "I'm really good" if you don't mean it. You gotta say that shit with conviction aaron.

ha

to be fair, on that table in question, i could have been "really good" because it was a table full of poor players, got moved tables and they tore my a new one, players on there was actually good.... obviously Jamie took me too literally

[jgcblack]

Without meaning to cause offence Aaron a couple of my friends have played with you and basically said you were awful to play with, only saying this because you brought the question of what is bad etiquette up, those two things you did are both pretty pointless - good experienced players will see straight through them, weak players will either pay no notice or be annoyed at you - I've called people out on this stuff mid-hand before btw and would do again lol

But yh, from what people have said about sharing a table with you (mostly Jamie in the DTD300 you finalled) they told me you were obnoxious, arrogant and generally pretty rude whilst playing telling people how good you were etc and belittling people after you won a pot which is very bad etiquette, I'd work on improving that and lose all these stupid lil strokes personally.

Fwiw a lot of very nice people are like this at a poker tables so non real reflection on your personality at i'm basically saying lose the ego.

Obviously Jamie took me too literally, lol. He has only shared a table once with me & me saying "I'm really good" is just me joking, any of the regulars I share with in Sheffield or any festivals will tell you I just joke when saying such things.

However amused that gossiping happens really, even him and Alex took to Twitter lolz.

I know it will seem like I'm trolling here... but I'll happily admit I've never shared a table with you.

However, I have heard from my group of poker friends... that you're not very pleasant to share a table with either I'm afraid.

Might be that your normal poker banter doesn't come across well to people who don't know you socially - might be worth looking into.

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I know that some of the things the people I know joke about don't work as we were chatting in The Empire and one of the cardroom managers who knows me came over and said as much - i was a bit surprised because of what we were saying but I believed him and we just kept it to our local games.

[GreekStein]

Furthermore Dave, I am pretty sure you are trying to have a pop, because I am not sure why relevant? We are both in a game where there are lots of arrogant & obnoxious players, which perhaps at times is good for yourself personally.

Please don't tell me you are this shortsighted?

A fellow blonde who hasn't posted ITT mentioned this thread to me on skype after I commented and said you 'acted like a bellend' when he played cash with you.

You can't control how other people behave but all winning players have a responsibility to behave and act well at the table. Obnoxious and arrogant actions can cause fish and whales to steer clear of playing. A lot of guys just want to have fun while they lose their money. There's nothing wrong with that. It's how they have fun with money they are willing to lose and it's how pros make money. When Mr Fish busts his tournament and sees Aaron sat down in cash and remembers what a miserable experience the last time he shared a cash table with you was and decides to dump his money down a fruit machine or roulette table or even just sod off home, your actions have hurt everyone. The fish, the pros, the poker economy and the game.

Some guys will be obnoxious. The ones who lose are losers and even the ones who win are usually losers. Don't be either. You know better and shouldn't be.

[aaron1867]

There seems to be a lot of "X player thinks you're a nob" but not posting comments. I don't even play cash that often either... twice at DTD... can't remember anything that happened in those games.

I don't think arrogance and so on keeps people away from the game, etc. There are hundreds of arrogrant players playing this game.

[CHIPPYMAN]

There seems to be a lot of "X player thinks you're a nob" but not posting comments. I don't even play cash that often either... twice at DTD... can't remember anything that happened in those games.

I don't think arrogance and so on keeps people away from the game, etc. There are hundreds of arrogrant players playing this game.

I don't think u r arrogance dude , maybe just a troller !! Lol

[MANTIS01]

I read this great post in Tikay's diary (chopped out the irrelevant stuff)

Played Limit Stud O8 yesterday, was tremendous fun. 

Did no good, but really enjoyed it, & I have the taste & want to play more of it now.

The Tables I was on (4 different ones, I ended up, I think, 13th of 80), were so much fun.

On the first, there was a Lady, mid sixties, very mascauline, who threw a right strop every time she lost a hand. I so wish she had worn a hoodie. Proper nutcase.

Latee, a middle-aged Jewish chap was the greatest fun ever. he was King Chunter, he chuntered & moaned non-stop.

First, in a three way pot, Player A scooped the lot, & Jewish Chap then blamed the third player in the pot for "taking my cards". When were you still in the Pot, chasing the low, you took my ace you schmock. I win the hand if you fold". Third platyer fires back at him, & they go off on one.

Later, the Jewish chap got horribly coolered, he had been dealt wired aces, & filled up on 5th street, & played it cute.  Unbeknown to him, 80 year old Black Chap, seen it all before, had wired deuces, & hit QUADS on the river!

Well, you've never heard such a moan in your life, he stood up, shouted, went & told everyone in the room, chunter chunter chunter. I could not help myself, I just burst out laughing at the sheer comedy, as did everyone else, so he kicked off again. He busted shortly after, & trundled away, still chuntering to himself.

What fun Limit Stud O8 is, you get a really eccentric crowd playing that stuff.

That really sets the scene doesn't it? The fun in live poker is in the diversity of people who converge at a table to create a unique experience. Seemingly everybody at the table had great fun despite all the moaning and shouting. In fact the bell-end behaviour was funny and only added to the experience. So I totally reject this tripe about how individuals have a duty to conform and an obligation to preserve the poker economy. If everybody did the same thing staying silent and motionless it would be piss boring. When I first started I had intense motivation to bust bell-ends, I didn't run home crying cos somebody said "I hope you're not slowrolling", and I bet that's the case for most new players.

In fact if people want to improve etiquette and do their bit to preserve the poker economy they should stop burying theirs heads in online poker when they're playing live and start engaging with people to help create this unique human experience. And stop taking 20 mins over every frigging decision as well. Given the choice of playing some arrogant young kid who thinks he's the bee's knees or some internet mute who's dribbling into his laptop I know which I'd prefer.

Unless behaviour is outside the rules people should be happy to let the garden grow rather than hoovering around tidying everybody up imo. Be who you want to be aaron.

[tikay]

I read this great post in Tikay's diary (chopped out the irrelevant stuff)

What?

WHAT?

**** you.

There is NO irrelevant stuff in my Diary, or washers, or cooker knobs.

If you ever Final a WSOP thing, I'm so gonna anti-rail you.

[tikay]

More seriously, though, Live Poker is full of fun, & if anyone does not get that, they'd best quit now.

I've met more characters on the tables this trip than enough, old & young, fat & thin, black & white, hoodies hats & wigs, I have a thousand fun stories to tell.

Some of the Dealers have been truly awful, some brilliant, ditto the players, including the very best & the very worst.

The whole experience has been nothing short of wonderful, I'd not have missed it for the world.

There have been ups & downs, good & bad, it's what Live Poker is about, surely?

[aaron1867]

Perhaps I don't seem my apparent (which ghost people are saying) bad etiquette? Perhaps I say this in such a manner that I think I have good etiquette because I take losing with premiums in such good grace. Who knows!

[jgcblack]

There seems to be a lot of "X player thinks you're a nob" but not posting comments. I don't even play cash that often either... twice at DTD... can't remember anything that happened in those games.

I don't think arrogance and so on keeps people away from the game, etc. There are hundreds of arrogrant players playing this game.

This exact post and attitude is the kind of stuff Greeky is trying to warn you about.  You need to stop, take a breath and LISTEN!

Posting comments or quotes or suchlike doesn't help, and won't matter without context.  This isn't a trial with evidence, you've come on here and asked about two situations where you've tried to 'cleverly' trick your opponents with a fairly obvious and obnoxious ruse.  
Truth be told, anyone good enough to fold here anyways will recognize your conduct and anyone not able to realize it will probably not be affected by your talk and it makes no difference.

[aaron1867]

There seems to be a lot of "X player thinks you're a nob" but not posting comments. I don't even play cash that often either... twice at DTD... can't remember anything that happened in those games.

I don't think arrogance and so on keeps people away from the game, etc. There are hundreds of arrogrant players playing this game.

This exact post and attitude is the kind of stuff Greeky is trying to warn you about.  You need to stop, take a breath and LISTEN!

Posting comments or quotes or suchlike doesn't help, and won't matter without context.  This isn't a trial with evidence, you've come on here and asked about two situations where you've tried to 'cleverly' trick your opponents with a fairly obvious and obnoxious ruse.  
Truth be told, anyone good enough to fold here anyways will recognize your conduct and anyone not able to realize it will probably not be affected by your talk and it makes no difference.

You see, it comes a bit "simple" when people say this person and that person, like Dave said it was "they" and by the end of it, it was "him", meaning Jamie Sykes. Greeky mentions cash & someone elses comments aor opinion of me, that I do not say is wrong, but I do not play cash that often, in actual fact twice at DTD and one of those times was well before I was on here and the second I can't remember anything in such a situation where I would be called a "bell end" lol.

Having thought about the 2 hands again and again and posted here to see what you guys thought and I am open to criticism, in hand 2 I have realised that this is something I do when I am calling or in actual fact, I sometimes fold too. There is nothing to be taken back from that.

But you mention trick in such a way which makes me look like an absolute con merchant, what about those who hold their cards in such a ways to say "I'm not going to call you, but I would like to see the river card, so let me look as if I am going to call you", is that such a trick?

[Magic817]

Aaron, I only "know you" from your posts on blonde and haven't had the "pleasure" of sharing a table with you.

Option 1 is everyone is picking on you and you have done nothing wrong at the tables (a bit like with your posts where you appear to think everyone picks on you)

Option 2 is you don't come over well on the tables

I think the op helps with the answer

I am not saying you have to make friends with everyone at the table but can you win with a bit of class or is this too old fashioned a way of thinking? We all want to win but in my opinion there is a way to do it. Banter at the tables is great and one of the benefits of playing live rather than online.

For me it boils down to the fact that we have one chance at life, how do you want to be remembered?

 

[SuuPRlim]

Aaron, I am not having a pop, you asked if what you did was bad etiquette, which means either a) you were told what you did was bad and you're trying to prove it wasn't, or b) you genuienly care that you are behaving properly.

If its a) which seems VERY likely to be the case then w/e I say is irrelevant, if its b) then I am telling you that more than one person has commented to me, in private that sharing a poker table with you is unpleasant. If they are wrong then fair enough but that is what I have been told and when you asked for opinions I gave you mine, with a little bit of evidence.

And I was not gossiping, as much as I'd like it to be otherwise I have a lot more pressing things to spend my time doing than discussing your table behavior lol

If someone told me what I've told you I'd be devastated, if you don't care then that is abso fine as well, no hard feeling just answering th question you asked.

[aaron1867]

Dave, you make a point, but then you back it up with Jamie, which does make it a bit lol.

Magic makes a good point though.

However not trying to back up what I did or I wouldn't have asked, personally think both are slightly douchey.