2014 World Cup Betting / Discussion thread

[arbboy]

Let's see how good he is next year when Suar has moved to Spain, Gerrard is another year closer to being past it at the top level and the Scousers get humiliated in the group stages of the Champs League and finish back in their usual 5th/6th in the EPL.

[jakally]

Personally think that Henderson was one of England's better players in the WC.
Did his job very well, and did very little wrong.

[mulhuzz]

Personally think that Henderson was one of England's better players in the WC.
Did his job very well, and did very little wrong.

Don't doubt this, but pads suggesting he is like what, 7th best CM on the world.

Madness.

[arbboy]

Personally think that Henderson was one of England's better players in the WC.
Did his job very well, and did very little wrong.

I don't disagree with this summary but that's massively different to walking into 29 out of the other 31 WC team's first 11s when your team is going home with it's tail behind it's legs after 2 defeats in 2 games!

[arbboy]

Personally think that Henderson was one of England's better players in the WC.
Did his job very well, and did very little wrong.

Don't doubt this, but pads suggesting he is like what, 7th best CM on the world.

Madness.

He wouldn't have to be anywhere near the 7th best CM in the world necessarily to fulfill Pads statement of being in every starting 11 bar 2 in the world cup.  Nothing like that tbf but i get your point.

[pleno1]

Don't doubt this, but pads suggesting he is like what, 7th best CM on the world.

Madness.
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why does it suggest that?

Personally think that Henderson was one of England's better players in the WC.
Did his job very well, and did very little wrong.

yeah and he is very very inexperienced for a cm at international level

Personally think that Henderson was one of England's better players in the WC.
Did his job very well, and did very little wrong.

I don't disagree with this summary but that's massively different to walking into 29 out of the other 31 WC team's first 11s when your team is going home with it's tail behind it's legs after 2 defeats in 2 games!

were talking about pre world cup, or are you saying iniesta wouldnt walk into 29 teams because his team lost 2 games?

im saying like every other team, england pick their players on merit, or at least they should. which teams arbboy do you think henderson wouldnt play for in this world cup? if its over 25 then theres a chance we just disagree on a couple of players individually and its variance if its under 25 then we simply disagree on football.

Personally think that Henderson was one of England's better players in the WC.
Did his job very well, and did very little wrong.

Don't doubt this, but pads suggesting he is like what, 7th best CM on the world.

Madness.

He wouldn't have to be anywhere near the 7th best CM in the world necessarily to fulfill Pads statement of being in every starting 11 bar 2 in the world cup.  Nothing like that tbf

exactly.

[TightEnd]

Jakally is correct, and henderson is a good young Player but can easily disagree with him getting in about 15 of the Teams named. Eg argentina ahead of mascherano and gago?  Just glib to say he would.  Same applies to gerrard, he wouldn't get in either

[pleno1]

for tranparency i think

modric, iniesta, pirlo, kroos, other germans, di maria are way better than henderson, in a completely different league.. its like comparing a right back with a centre half though.

his competition is

khedira, cabaye, xabi alonso, paulinho, de rossi, de jong

and then god knows who from all of the punting countries

[mulhuzz]

Since you've mentioned Modric, he's not better than Rakitic either.

[pleno1]

Jakally is correct, and henderson is a good young Player but can easily disagree with him getting in about 15 of the Teams named. Eg argentina ahead of mascherano and gago?  Just glib to say he would.  Same applies to gerrard, he wouldn't get in either

gago didnt even start the tournament as first choice. like i said in the last post i think its pretty clearly above 25 teams. if anything henderson would be exactly what argentina need, they play so attacking they need players who can cover ground in the centre of the pitch, mascherano and gago especially are not very mobile/worst athletes than henderson.

if mascherano was truly a world class midfielder i doubt he would play in defence for barcelona.

[arbboy]

Don't doubt this, but pads suggesting he is like what, 7th best CM on the world.

Madness.

why does it suggest that?

Personally think that Henderson was one of England's better players in the WC.
Did his job very well, and did very little wrong.

yeah and he is very very inexperienced for a cm at international level

Personally think that Henderson was one of England's better players in the WC.
Did his job very well, and did very little wrong.

I don't disagree with this summary but that's massively different to walking into 29 out of the other 31 WC team's first 11s when your team is going home with it's tail behind it's legs after 2 defeats in 2 games!

were talking about pre world cup, or are you saying iniesta wouldnt walk into 29 teams because his team lost 2 games?

im saying like every other team, england pick their players on merit, or at least they should. which teams arbboy do you think henderson wouldnt play for in this world cup? if its over 25 then theres a chance we just disagree on a couple of players individually and its variance if its under 25 then we simply disagree on football.

Personally think that Henderson was one of England's better players in the WC.
Did his job very well, and did very little wrong.

Don't doubt this, but pads suggesting he is like what, 7th best CM on the world.

Madness.

He wouldn't have to be anywhere near the 7th best CM in the world necessarily to fulfill Pads statement of being in every starting 11 bar 2 in the world cup.  Nothing like that tbf

exactly.
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You have summed it up perfectly in the bold sentence.  Hardly any team in the top 6 in the betting would take a chance with such an inexperienced at the top level (internationally/champions league) player in the biggest event in world football.   This is one of the many reasons why England continue to fail at the top table of international football.

[pleno1]

Since you've mentioned Modric, he's not better than Rakitic either.

do you truly think if henderson was from croatia he would be on the bench in their games in this world cup? that is the point here..

[mulhuzz]

Since you've mentioned Modric, he's not better than Rakitic either.

do you truly think if henderson was from croatia he would be on the bench in their games in this world cup? that is the point here..

It's very hard to say, he wouldn't get picked ahead of Rakitic and Modric though. Whether Croatia would shuffle pack to accommodate all three is too hypothetical for me.

[pleno1]

arboy, i agree, they wouldnt play ross barkley, or luke shaw and they would take ashley cole and they would beg john terry.

but henderson has played a super super mature role in a liverpool team, shown great consistency and he played every minute of every game for a reason, because he is reliable and focussed, he is exactly the kind of player who does well in international football.

as you can see with sterling/sturridge one minute they are awesome, the next minute they are awful.

i 10000000% agree with you on your general point, but just dont think henderson falls into that category.

Henderson is 25

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Verratti 21
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Pogba 21
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulinho_(footballer) 25
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luiz_Gustavo 26
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toni_Kroos 24
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Müller 24 (played the last world cup)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesut_Özil 25, played the last world cup


im sure there are many many more...

[pleno1]

ironic thing about this is that ive played against henderson maybe 20 times in my life and always thought he was awful