UK General Election 2015

[aaron1867]

I'm not an avid political follower

I've never voted before as I just didn't care, they are all as bad as each other, there needs to be a revolution including the disbanding of the House of Commons and the farce that takes place there.

This year however I feel compelled to vote Conservative because Ed Milliband is such an absolute tool

I just cant get my head around anyone thinking Ed Milliband with Farage or Salmond would be anything other than an absolute disaster.

Can someone explain to me why anyone would be voting for Labour?

+1. Why would any hard working individual ever vote for labour?  I have just had this debate with the cabbie on the way back from chelt.

Terrible question. I guess hard working individuals would very much vote labour, because they aren't loaded & the less well off will surely get better treated, rather than the continuous "let's make the rich richer".

Always amusing that these voting for Tories always speak of the economy, but never the NHS.

As for the economy it isn't all fantastic as they like to make out, my own small business is under it due to a silly new law that Tories have released. These low unemployment fugues make me laugh too, the government are actually paying people to work, guess what? On minimum wage.

EM us a complete tool but the whole "there's not one reason to vote labour" is frankly laughable

[StuartHopkin]

Terrible question. I guess hard working individuals would very much vote labour, because they aren't loaded & the less well off will surely get better treated, rather than the continuous "let's make the rich richer".

Help me out then please Aaron
What is the Labour policy that is going to help stop this?

Always amusing that these voting for Tories always speak of the economy, but never the NHS.

I thought it was accepted that Labour are destroying the NHS in Wales and that they would make a pigs ear of it here?

As for the economy it isn't all fantastic as they like to make out, my own small business is under it due to a silly new law that Tories have released.

Do you mind me asking which law?

Just trying to understand it from the other side.

Mulhuzz - do you have time to expand on your responses

Tighty is right, I have worked at the same place for the last 12 years and so I am in somewhat of a bubble.
The Conservatives seem to be doing a pretty sensible job of gradually mending the economy.
The rest of the policies for both parties seem lame as always and we know they wont uphold them.

Labour's number 1 point on their policies document is an £8 minimum wage.
Which I assume means over their 4 year term? But the current rate of increases would have it at £8 in 4 years anyway?

[DungBeetle]

"Always amusing that these voting for Tories always speak of the economy, but never the NHS. "

I don't understand how Labour are going to be better for the NHS.  The Welsh fiasco suggests they won't be any better at running it in England than the Tories.

I guess they are going to put the mansion tax towards it.  But the mansion tax raises £1.5 billion if I remember correctly.  The NHS budget is £100 billion+  Is the extra funding enough to fix whatever problems we have?

If you ask me the problems with the NHS are simply that more people are using it (largely due to GPs not working out of hours these days).  Change the GP system and you release some pressure on the hospitals.  Nobody seems to be suggesting that though - the answer is always just throw more money at it.

[aaron1867]

I can't quote as it is a nightmare on my phone.

It's very obvious to say Labour will spend a little more money on the NHS & the Tories are happy to increase according to inflation. I'm neither for or massively against any party, but some people seem to be inclined to saying nothing positive to say about the "other" party. As for laws they changed it makes a huge difference to me, they no longer allow you to video certain aspects, which we specialise in. I don't understand why they ban a bit of harmless fun.

I'm not massively against the Tories and I believe DC is a better PM than Ed, but chuff me, I don't believe all of the unemployment and economy figures.

I find it hard to vote for a party who's having a negative affect on my life. I am not huge on Labour either with Ed, who resembles a cartoon character, but I won't vote Tory & I won't have a "dead" vote

[StuartHopkin]

I can't quote as it is a nightmare on my phone.

It's very obvious to say Labour will spend a little more money on the NHS & the Tories are happy to increase according to inflation. I'm neither for or massively against any party, but some people seem to be inclined to saying nothing positive to say about the "other" party. As for laws they changed it makes a huge difference to me, they no longer allow you to video certain aspects, which we specialise in. I don't understand why they ban a bit of harmless fun.

I'm not massively against the Tories and I believe DC is a better PM than Ed, but chuff me, I don't believe all of the unemployment and economy figures.

I find it hard to vote for a party who's having a negative affect on my life. I am not huge on Labour either with Ed, who resembles a cartoon character, but I won't vote Tory & I won't have a "dead" vote

Thanks Aaron

As a side to this I obviously just googled what you are no longer allowed to video.
I'm hoping that you didn't have a niche Urolagnia filming business!

[aaron1867]

"Always amusing that these voting for Tories always speak of the economy, but never the NHS. "

I don't understand how Labour are going to be better for the NHS.  The Welsh fiasco suggests they won't be any better at running it in England than the Tories.

I guess they are going to put the mansion tax towards it.  But the mansion tax raises £1.5 billion if I remember correctly.  The NHS budget is £100 billion+  Is the extra funding enough to fix whatever problems we have?

If you ask me the problems with the NHS are simply that more people are using it (largely due to GPs not working out of hours these days).  Change the GP system and you release some pressure on the hospitals.  Nobody seems to be suggesting that though - the answer is always just throw more money at it.

I find the NHS the most important thing we have, other countries wish they had a similar health service and we must do everything we can to help keep this service great. Health before wealth and all that.

Is anyone else voting away from Labour or conservative? Funnily enough even in South Yorkshire, they aren't particularly keen on Ed either.

People also assume Labour are going to get in bed with SNP, but what about the Tories, who do they get into bed with? Will it be Lib Dems again?

[DungBeetle]

I think the Tories would continue with the current coalition if they could.  It hasn't worked out too badly (for them anyway) despite the odd spat.

[TightEnd]

Clearly,it all could break in a number of ways

[kinboshi]

"Always amusing that these voting for Tories always speak of the economy, but never the NHS. "

I don't understand how Labour are going to be better for the NHS.  The Welsh fiasco suggests they won't be any better at running it in England than the Tories.

I guess they are going to put the mansion tax towards it.  But the mansion tax raises £1.5 billion if I remember correctly.  The NHS budget is £100 billion+  Is the extra funding enough to fix whatever problems we have?

If you ask me the problems with the NHS are simply that more people are using it (largely due to GPs not working out of hours these days).  Change the GP system and you release some pressure on the hospitals.  Nobody seems to be suggesting that though - the answer is always just throw more money at it.

http://nhap.org/our-policies-1/

• Halt unnecessary hospital closures and support local A&E and maternity provision
• Stop privatising NHS services & get rid of the market
• Make the Health Secretary responsible again for providing health care
• Fund the NHS to G7 levels and reverse government cuts
• Ensure adequate staffing in hospitals, GP practices & community care
• Listen to patients and staff to improve the NHS
• Renegotiate the costly Private Finance Initiative (PFI)
• Fight the EU-USA trade deal (TTIP) that will make NHS privatisation irreversible

[DungBeetle]

Not sure how it stands legally, but renegotiating the PFI looks a good policy.  Seems like the NHS just got exploited in that area.  Who signed those deals anyway - NHS guys or politicians?

[Kmac84]

I'm not an avid political follower

I've never voted before as I just didn't care, they are all as bad as each other, there needs to be a revolution including the disbanding of the House of Commons and the farce that takes place there.

This year however I feel compelled to vote Conservative because Ed Milliband is such an absolute tool

I just cant get my head around anyone thinking Ed Milliband with Farage or Salmond would be anything other than an absolute disaster.

Can someone explain to me why anyone would be voting for Labour?

+1. Why would any hard working individual ever vote for labour?  I have just had this debate with the cabbie on the way back from chelt.

Why would anyone hard working ever consider voting the tories? 

[Kmac84]

I don't understand the hate for the SNP from our united family down south.

Afterall during the referendum debate we were all equal and you all wanted us to stay now though when the Scottish electorate has the gumption to turn its back on Labour there is uproar.  Damn you uppity jocks. 

I think its now widely accepted that FPTP is a failed mechanism for Government and that coalition govenment works better than a two party system. 

The SNP for all their faults and there are many, actually govern pretty well.  I believe if they did a supply and confidence deal with Labour they would hold them to account. 

My problem is Labour are an absolute mess, I wouldn't trust them to look ater my local council.    Red Ed is a disaster, I can't take him seriously, Skeletor Murphy is also doing a tremendous job of turning traditional Labour voters of voting Labour.  Its almost like he's doing a hatchet job for Red Ed's removal so Labour can revert back to the Bairite days. 

The Tories and the Libs have made an absolute mess of things, I am yet to be convinced of this economy is on the way back, nonsense.  The people affected most by the down turn are still poor.  In real terms people are worse off. 

[neeko]

 
http://nhap.org/our-policies-1/

• Halt unnecessary hospital closures and support local A&E and maternity provision

       I don't see many people ever agreeing the definition of unnecessary
   

• Stop privatising NHS services & get rid of the market

        Unless labour are proposing nationalising  the likes of Pfizer and Glaxo, can't see the market ever not being involved in healthcare
   

• Make the Health Secretary responsible again for providing health care

            Meaningless statement - doctors and nurses provide health care, health sec is just chief pen pusher
   

• Fund the NHS to G7 levels and reverse government cuts

          The G7 includes the U.S. which spends twice the level of GDP on health as the UK, but has a lower life expectancy. Short of closing all schools, halving pensions and shut down the army - this ain't going to happen.
   

• Ensure adequate staffing in hospitals, GP practices & community care

          Blank checks are fun to write but never get cashed when in power
   

• Listen to patients and staff to improve the NHS

        Blah, blah blah, this could be written by all parties and will be acted on by none.
   

• Renegotiate the costly Private Finance Initiative (PFI)

          Good luck rewriting contract law.
   

• Fight the EU-USA trade deal (TTIP) that will make NHS privatisation irreversible

           Yeah right, because no politician in power has ever gone back on any treaty signed ever

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All parties will argue about if spending is going up in"real" terms or not, this is not the question, it should be spending per capita, on a constant age basis. (IE if the population is getting older then they will cost more, there for to maintain the same level of care you would need to spend more per capita.) no party will even pretend to have this as a policy as they all realise that it is unaffordable.

I am not sure there is an answer, we are living longer and having more expensive diseases of old age as a result.

A politician should just stand up and say we can't have the care that people want as we can't afford it, over the next few decades how are going to ration it? (Rather than ignoring the problem and hope to be out of office by the time the money runs out)

[ripple11]

Clearly,it all could break in a number of ways

Gulp......a couple fall under a bus on the way to the State Opening of Parliament and we're off to the races again 

[rfgqqabc]

Why do people see Red Ed as do incompetent? Has he actually done anything that wrong or is it just a mainstream media view that people are regurgitating? I'd like some proof or links please, facts and stuff! So disillusioned with the political system I don't really anticipate voting.