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Question: I will be voting for the following in the General election  (Voting closed: May 10, 2015, 02:10:42 PM)
Conservative - 41 (40.6%)
Labour - 20 (19.8%)
Liberal Democrat - 6 (5.9%)
SNP - 9 (8.9%)
UKIP - 3 (3%)
Green - 7 (6.9%)
Other - 3 (3%)
I will not be voting - 12 (11.9%)
Total Voters: 100

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« Reply #435 on: March 16, 2015, 01:29:29 PM »

From today's English version of The Sun.   Thankfully, like many with principles I don't buy this rag. 
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This is how Scotland is seen in the largest part of the UK today. There’s nothing new about Scots being portrayed as “stealing” money rightfully belonging to England, of course, nor in the stereotype depicted by the Jimmy hat. It’s the word on the placard that tells the story: “immigrant”.


We are not like them. Not fellow citizens of the same nation, not respected partners and equals, but scrounging, wily, contemptible foreigners. Those of us who live in England may always have felt like visitors in another country, albeit in a much more benign sense. But in right-wing British tabloid newspapers, there’s no mistaking the tone intended by the word “immigrant” in 2015.

The cartoon is obviously a joke, just like Steve Bell’s week-long portrayal of Nicola Sturgeon and Alex Salmond as kilt-wearing, Highland-dancing Tory collaborators. But racist 1970s comedians calling foreigners “nig-nogs”, “wops” and “Chinkies” were joking too.

Jim Davidson, Bernard Manning and their ilk would have called Scots “Jocks”, but still considered us their countrymen. But our status in the eyes of a UKIP-driven England has fallen since then. To our increasingly xenophobic neighbours south of the border, we’re now outsiders. Alien parasites. The enemy within.

Even for those of us to whom the word “immigrant” isn’t a pejorative, it’s a chilling insight into how we can expect to be regarded and treated after this election is out of the way, should we choose to send to Westminster representatives whose first loyalty is to something other than Scotland.
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« Reply #436 on: March 16, 2015, 01:58:00 PM »

Miliband: "Labour will not go into Coalition with the SNP. There will be no SNP ministers in any government I lead"

speaking just now, ruling out a coalition
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« Reply #437 on: March 16, 2015, 02:05:30 PM »

That's an interesting move.  I guess he's not ruling out an informal agreement though?
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« Reply #438 on: March 16, 2015, 02:08:30 PM »

That's an interesting move.  I guess he's not ruling out an informal agreement though?

he can't do that

whoever ends up largest party will need the "supply and confidence" support of others to hit a majority to mwin votes in parliament

so there will be backroom deals etc etc 

and a reasonable likelihood of a government with a short term life

if the SNP does win 40-45-50 seats then the likelihood of a lib-lab or con-lab coalition being able to succeed on its own is much reduced too
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« Reply #439 on: March 16, 2015, 02:12:16 PM »

The SNP isn't particularly bothered about getting ministers or being in an official coalition. Their price for not bringing down a Labour minority government will be another referendum.
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« Reply #440 on: March 16, 2015, 02:13:07 PM »

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« Reply #441 on: March 16, 2015, 02:26:28 PM »

The SNP isn't particularly bothered about getting ministers or being in an official coalition. Their price for not bringing down a Labour minority government will be another referendum.

No it won't

It will be money for Scotland.
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« Reply #442 on: March 16, 2015, 02:37:49 PM »

Whats the reason for bookies fancying Labour minority over Tory minority?  Tories projected to get about 10 extra seats by Spin?
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« Reply #443 on: March 16, 2015, 02:41:00 PM »

I Love this thread. I'm learning so much. Not only about politics, but about people too.
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« Reply #444 on: March 16, 2015, 06:54:33 PM »

The SNP isn't particularly bothered about getting ministers or being in an official coalition. Their price for not bringing down a Labour minority government will be another referendum.

Very much this, It has never been the position of the SNP to want to enter coalition, All today shows to me is Red Ed who has steadfastly refused to make such a statement till now is not n control of his party. 

It feels wrong given the hostility I have towards the Tories but I think I'd prefer to see themget another term over this Labour party.  Labour are finished in Scotland, they may scrape 10 seats this time around but unless the SNP royally fuck it up we won't have to worry about them being a threat at Holyrood.  I'd like to see "yes" voters get out the SNP bubble though and keep them on their toes by making sure a vast number of people from other backgrounds/parties are elected. 
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« Reply #445 on: March 16, 2015, 08:18:39 PM »

The SNP isn't particularly bothered about getting ministers or being in an official coalition. Their price for not bringing down a Labour minority government will be another referendum.

It feels wrong given the hostility I have towards the Tories but I think I'd prefer to see themget another term over this Labour party.  Labour are finished in Scotland, they may scrape 10 seats this time around but unless the SNP royally fuck it up we won't have to worry about them being a threat at Holyrood.  I'd like to see "yes" voters get out the SNP bubble though and keep them on their toes by making sure a vast number of people from other backgrounds/parties are elected. 

I think that's what will happen , Yes movement votes SNP in May and SNP/Green/SSP etc in Holyrood elections to keep SNP honest.
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« Reply #446 on: March 16, 2015, 08:22:46 PM »

What is it with the Labour lie machine that they keep repeating and regurgitating the story that the biggest party forms the Government?

We in Scotland now know that the Civil Service isn't unbiased, but it seems here Lord, Sir Gus kicks that idea into touch from around 5min 40 secs in http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b055g032

Also this mansion tax, is it like the magic bean in Jack And The Beanstalk
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« Reply #447 on: March 16, 2015, 09:43:34 PM »

What is it with the Labour lie machine that they keep repeating and regurgitating the story that the biggest party forms the Government?

By convention, the incumbant gets the first attempt at gaining the required 'supply and confidence'....then anyone else gets a crack whilst the incumbents govern as a minority in the meantime.

No lies there....
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« Reply #448 on: March 16, 2015, 10:42:04 PM »

What is it with the Labour lie machine that they keep repeating and regurgitating the story that the biggest party forms the Government?

By convention, the incumbant gets the first attempt at gaining the required 'supply and confidence'....then anyone else gets a crack whilst the incumbents govern as a minority in the meantime.

No lies there....

I know this, so do Labour so why do they continually bleat on about the largest party forming the Govt? 
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« Reply #449 on: March 16, 2015, 11:07:34 PM »

What is it with the Labour lie machine that they keep repeating and regurgitating the story that the biggest party forms the Government?

By convention, the incumbant gets the first attempt at gaining the required 'supply and confidence'....then anyone else gets a crack whilst the incumbents govern as a minority in the meantime.

No lies there....

I know this, so do Labour so why do they continually bleat on about the largest party forming the Govt? 

Surely they are saying it because it is almost certainly what will happen. It´s like going crazy at someone saying the sun will come up tomorrow. What scenario do you think we might see where the largest party won´t form the government?
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