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« Reply #90 on: April 09, 2015, 09:30:28 PM »

Poker players owe you Devilfish.

Miss you very much.

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« Reply #91 on: April 09, 2015, 11:28:02 PM »

Some of this is bang out of order IMO.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/dave-ulliott-card-player-known-as-the-devilfish-who-emerged-from-a-life-of-crime-to-win-millions-at-the-poker-table-10160843.html

Disappointed in Des Wilson to be honest.
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« Reply #92 on: April 09, 2015, 11:37:41 PM »

Yea, without knowing all the facts it did come across as a very blunt, assumptive article.
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« Reply #93 on: April 10, 2015, 08:12:24 AM »

The Des Wilson piece looks mean spirited at best.

This is a little better
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11520059/Dave-Ulliott-poker-champion-obituary.html


Who'd have thought that Dave Ulliott would get obituaries in the broadsheets though? I bet he'd be laughing his head off at the idea.
I suspect he'd have preferred to be mentioned in the NME though.
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« Reply #94 on: April 10, 2015, 08:34:12 AM »

The Des Wilson piece looks mean spirited at best.

This is a little better
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11520059/Dave-Ulliott-poker-champion-obituary.html


Who'd have thought that Dave Ulliott would get obituaries in the broadsheets though? I bet he'd be laughing his head off at the idea.
I suspect he'd have preferred to be mentioned in the NME though.

The Devilfish Obit in The Times was, far & away, the most balanced of them all, imo. Unforch, I can't link to it, as it is behind a paywall.
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« Reply #95 on: April 10, 2015, 08:45:27 AM »

Yea, without knowing all the facts it did come across as a very blunt, assumptive article.

For balance, Des Wilson (who, I have to add, is a friend of mine) has written two books about Devilfish, so he knows him better than many of us do.







Des is also a quite remarkable man, one of the most remarkable people ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Des_Wilson

Some of it did seem a bit mean, I agree. We should always try to be respectful to those who have passed away, especially if before their time, or had a family, both of which apply here.

Some of what Des wrote was simply untrue, but I doubt he did it for any other reason than try & provide a fair & balanced Obit. Dave was not an angel, & would not like to be so described. He was a great, great, poker player though, & he, unintentionally, very much helped advance the cause of poker in in these parts.





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« Reply #96 on: April 10, 2015, 09:13:44 AM »

It's always interesting reading how heroic a Squadron Leader was, without a whiff of a question being asked of the morality.

Though he did not enjoy the business of killing, he recalled: “You had to. And because of the way the Japanese treated our people, I was really kind of glad to do it.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11479786/Squadron-Leader-Bob-Johnson-Hurricane-pilot-obituary.html

The Devilfish obituary is closer to that of Ronnie Biggs:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/10524589/Ronnie-Biggs-Obituary.html

No obituary of the Devilfish should paint him as a saint or a great nobleman. But he was to a lot of people a symbol of aspiration within a legitimising game. He was the embodiment of the sexy, seedy side of poker; the smoky, back room of a snooker hall, with bald headed men in suits and full length coats minding the door. The bad boy going straight, but careful how you get your money, son, cos shouting your mouth off is a bad idea.

There's an odd allure to the smalltime gangster image in poker and - and this is the twisted romantic in me - the game is better for it. What a terrible film The Cincinnati Kid would be if Clancy didn't have that power? Matt Damon had to face off against Teddy KGB; not Teddy Tiltsischipsov.

I first saw him on Late Night Poker and, to be quite honest, he was the only one I remember from that first episode I saw. I was hooked.

I never had the chance to meet him but the beauty of these characters in poker is that they have given far more to the game than all the money they've taken out of it.

RIP
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« Reply #97 on: April 10, 2015, 09:50:42 AM »



Agree with Tal Bloke.

One thing I ought to add, in case someone wants to twist my words.

I've never seen Devilfish pull any strokes or angle shoots at the poker table, & as far as I know, he never failed to pay his poker debts. He was a proper bloke at the poker table, even though he liked a moan when he ran bad.

I've seen kids on blonde who are wet behind the ears boast about angle shooting & pulling strokes at the Table, because they want to win at any cost. Dave won & lost properly.
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« Reply #98 on: April 10, 2015, 09:53:00 AM »

Some of what Des wrote was simply untrue, but I doubt he did it for any other reason than try & provide a fair & balanced Obit.

How can you write untruths and say it's to be fair and balanced?

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« Reply #99 on: April 10, 2015, 10:03:38 AM »

Some of what Des wrote was simply untrue, but I doubt he did it for any other reason than try & provide a fair & balanced Obit.

How can you write untruths and say it's to be fair and balanced?



Factual errors & "untruths" are different.

Stories sort of get embellished over time.

I'd bet good money that Des intended it to be fair & balanced. Whether he achieved that, of course, is another matter.
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« Reply #100 on: April 10, 2015, 10:43:23 AM »

I've met Des on a few occasions and had dinner with him once in the company of Tom and Lucy at The Vic when he was researching the first Devilfish book.

He spilled a full glass of wine all over me too!

I also met him during a tourney in Torquay and discovered that he is good mates with Nic Szeremeta,  but I did find that despite his huge intellect and many achievements, he gave me the impression of being a bit of a snob and I think that is what comes rather gratingly across in that obituary.
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« Reply #101 on: April 10, 2015, 12:46:36 PM »

I'd simply elect not to write an Obit, rather than submit THAT.
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« Reply #102 on: April 10, 2015, 01:36:34 PM »

I think personally attacking the deceased is neither warranted or correct in an obituary..

Des has gone down in my opinion i'm afraid..

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« Reply #103 on: April 10, 2015, 01:45:11 PM »

Very sad indeed that Dave has passed away. Its been said before, but he did do more than anyone else in the UK to popularise the game and will be sorely missed.

From a personal perspective, its also very close to home for me, as I have just recently spent some time in hospital, having been diagnosed with chronic bowel disease, although my biopsy results for colon cancer were thankfully OK.
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« Reply #104 on: April 10, 2015, 03:43:34 PM »


The paragraph about fame going to his head is totally out of order, wreaks of snobbishness and bitterness. Des got a book out of the Devilfish, why be so mean spirited for the sake of it?
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