The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[DaveShoelace]

Keep reading in this thread that Corbyn has had no effect and is a great thing for the tories
Why two massive u turns then?

The police thing was surely because of Paris. In fact, right now Corbyn is probably (rightly or wrongly) viewed as an enemy of the police and defence because of his pacifist comments.

He no doubt helped the tax cuts U-turn, but that was as much the public response (and even a media response).

IMO both U-turns were inevitable with or without Corbyn, though the second one is debatable.

[arbboy]

Keep reading in this thread that Corbyn has had no effect and is a great thing for the tories
Why two massive u turns then?

The police thing was surely because of Paris. In fact, right now Corbyn is probably (rightly or wrongly) viewed as an enemy of the police and defence because of his pacifist comments.

He no doubt helped the tax cuts U-turn, but that was as much the public response (and even a media response).

IMO both U-turns were inevitable with or without Corbyn, though the second one is debatable.

U turns are nothing to do with the labour leader.  Could be literally anyone and they would be making these u turns.

[doubleup]

A large proportion of the £27bn improvement in the public finances comes from a correction in the model that the OBR uses to predict the government's VAT take

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34922394

So it seems that the extra money isn't coming in from income tax and corporation tax but a good old fashioned debt fueled consumer boom. 

[DaveShoelace]

Question of the day

Would you prefer to vote for a leader who you trust, but disagree with their politics, or vote for a leader whose policies you agree with, but you think they are untrustworthy. Trustworthy I mean in the sense that they might U-turn on some promises, not sell state secrets to the enemy etc.

[TightEnd]

agree with the politics. every politician at some point has to u-turn, and indeed there is an argument that they should if curcumstances change or there is effective lobbying within a parliamentary democracy

[The Camel]

I wish politicians didn't make promises they can't keep.

[Woodsey]

agree with the politics. every politician at some point has to u-turn, and indeed there is an argument that they should if curcumstances change or there is effective lobbying within a parliamentary democracy

Agree, things change over time, sometimes it makes sense to change things if a better way of doing things becomes apparent.....

[TightEnd]

 all the latest published EURef polls

[TightEnd]

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http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/far-leftists-not-laugh-mao-mock-communism-laugh-forget-communism/

[DungBeetle]

What on earth was McDonnell thinking with that Chairman Mao book?  Wasn't it obvious to him that it would be a field day for the papers?

[arbboy]

George and Dave have that look about them at PMQ's like they can't believe they keep getting given tap ins by the labour party.  Their naughty PSB grin's on their faces are funny to watch.  I think they wonder if they are getting levelled by the labour party and someone is going to come out soon and say 'you actually believed we are this stupid, we were only kidding around'.

[TightEnd]

What on earth was McDonnell thinking with that Chairman Mao book?  Wasn't it obvious to him that it would be a field day for the papers?

first rule of a joke. it has to be funny

second rule of a joke. you shouldn't have to explain it

to have to watch him on the six o'clock news disassociate himself from 45m deaths under chairman mao was like fingernails on a blackboard. just excruciating to watch

this follows on from supporting the IRA's campaign around the time of the Brighton bombing (which once he was appointed shadow chancellor he went onto question time and apologised for)

this follows on from calling for the abolition of MI5 (well posing with a leaflet supporting this, which he denied, then admitted to claiming it was a cock up)


the labour party has more talented people than this, and its a shame really because there is plenty to go at the government with but it keeps getting lost in the opposition front bench making decisions that just leave you scratching your head

[AlunB]

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http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/far-leftists-not-laugh-mao-mock-communism-laugh-forget-communism/

My favourite thing about politics is when people who don't like someone pretend to represent their views in a more "honest" sense than the person themselves. That's always helpful and constructive.

That said I've given up on these clowns. They have absolutely pissed away a golden opportunity to the detriment of those who supported them as far as I'm concerned.

I'm starting to believe they are in some kind of political Brewster's Millions where they have to lose power as quickly as possible to inherit a vast fortune.

[horseplayer]

https://t.co/Jco5yXJ0Jh

[ripple11]

What on earth was McDonnell thinking with that Chairman Mao book?  Wasn't it obvious to him that it would be a field day for the papers?

first rule of a joke. it has to be funny

second rule of a joke. you shouldn't have to explain it

to have to watch him on the six o'clock news disassociate himself from 45m deaths under chairman mao was like fingernails on a blackboard. just excruciating to watch

this follows on from supporting the IRA's campaign around the time of the Brighton bombing (which once he was appointed shadow chancellor he went onto question time and apologised for)

this follows on from calling for the abolition of MI5 (well posing with a leaflet supporting this, which he denied, then admitted to claiming it was a cock up)


the labour party has more talented people than this, and its a shame really because there is plenty to go at the government with but it keeps getting lost in the opposition front bench making decisions that just leave you scratching your head

.......a few months ago did we ever think we would see the day Labour would send out Diane Abbott as spokesperson to trawl the evening broadcasters on such a day. Incredible.