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« Reply #1020 on: November 26, 2015, 10:55:03 PM »

What on earth was McDonnell thinking with that Chairman Mao book?  Wasn't it obvious to him that it would be a field day for the papers?

first rule of a joke. it has to be funny

second rule of a joke. you shouldn't have to explain it

to have to watch him on the six o'clock news disassociate himself from 45m deaths under chairman mao was like fingernails on a blackboard. just excruciating to watch

this follows on from supporting the IRA's campaign around the time of the Brighton bombing (which once he was appointed shadow chancellor he went onto question time and apologised for)

this follows on from calling for the abolition of MI5 (well posing with a leaflet supporting this, which he denied, then admitted to claiming it was a cock up)


the labour party has more talented people than this, and its a shame really because there is plenty to go at the government with but it keeps getting lost in the opposition front bench making decisions that just leave you scratching your head

.......a few months ago did we ever think we would see the day Labour would send out Diane Abbott as spokesperson to trawl the evening broadcasters on such a day. Incredible.

Fkn brilliant, long many the cluelessness continue  disco
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« Reply #1021 on: November 27, 2015, 09:03:44 AM »



http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ken-livingstone-sparks-controversy-after-claiming-londons-77-bombers-gave-their-lives-for-their-a3124356.html

Quote from Douglas Murray "The current Labour party leadership opposes bombing ISIS but volunteers reasons to bomb London."



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« Reply #1022 on: November 27, 2015, 09:38:42 AM »



http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ken-livingstone-sparks-controversy-after-claiming-londons-77-bombers-gave-their-lives-for-their-a3124356.html

Quote from Douglas Murray "The current Labour party leadership opposes bombing ISIS but volunteers reasons to bomb London."



I don't think Douglas Murray is an authority on any aspect of left, left of centre, centre or right of centre politics and his tweet is sensationalist and is an irrelevance, hopefully he soon will be too.

There clearly are massive problems with the Labour party now though. Following the UN vote, Corbyn should have modified his position, I think Tony Benn would have done. Involving Livingstone seems so foolish, it's hard to believe. Tough times ahead.
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« Reply #1023 on: November 27, 2015, 09:57:24 AM »

Question of the day

The result of the US Presidential Election next year is almost as important for us as anything else in British politics next year. Agree or disagree?
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« Reply #1024 on: November 27, 2015, 10:09:32 AM »

picture the scene...

"And then I thought I'd quote from Mao."

"really?"

"yes, I'll get the little red book out in the house and quote from it"

"fantastic, absolutely no way that will go down badly"

Nice shot from Osborne: "Oh look! It's his personal signed copy."

Just saw a clip of this on 'This Week' last night. Didn't know Osborne was capable of being actually funny.

Was also interesting to hear Portillo on the downed Russian plane. Like, most of us from the cold war generation he felt it as a 'hold your breath' moment. Amazing how long these things stay with us, pretty impressed how calm the reaction has been to this on the surface.
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« Reply #1025 on: November 27, 2015, 10:13:46 AM »

picture the scene...

"And then I thought I'd quote from Mao."

"really?"

"yes, I'll get the little red book out in the house and quote from it"

"fantastic, absolutely no way that will go down badly"

Nice shot from Osborne: "Oh look! It's his personal signed copy."

Just saw a clip of this on 'This Week' last night. Didn't know Osborne was capable of being actually funny.


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TBH it's the first time I've seen Osborne look anything like a slightly more awkward slightly smarter dressed Mr Bean

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« Reply #1026 on: November 27, 2015, 11:09:03 AM »

It's quite interesting watching Osborne - he is definitely, very rapidly, emerging in a prime ministerial way. Looking far less awkward etc

The politics, my personal politics, are kind of irrelevant but I also think the U turns strengthen his hand rather than weaken.

Labour are left attacking the U turn only which always seems too ridiculous to me. Notionally we want our politicians to be adult and nuanced in their thinking and whilst we'd probably prefer them not to compromise too much on their overarching principles/philosophies - surely we want them to listen and adapt in the face of good counter arguments ?

Actually we don't - we then berate them for 'broken promises'. Don't we all need to grow up and not see plans and policies as some kind of solemn promise.

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« Reply #1027 on: November 27, 2015, 11:17:38 AM »

It's quite interesting watching Osborne - he is definitely, very rapidly, emerging in a prime ministerial way. Looking far less awkward etc

The politics, my personal politics, are kind of irrelevant but I also think the U turns strengthen his hand rather than weaken.

Labour are left attacking the U turn only which always seems too ridiculous to me. Notionally we want our politicians to be adult and nuanced in their thinking and whilst we'd probably prefer them not to compromise too much on their overarching principles/philosophies - surely we want them to listen and adapt in the face of good counter arguments ?

Actually we don't - we then berate them for 'broken promises'. Don't we all need to grow up and not see plans and policies as some kind of solemn promise.



Bred to rule innit

More seriously he is almost universally regarded as being a brilliant politician and I agree with you he's looking more and more statesmanlike to match his cunning and ability to play the game.

He doesn't strike me as a the sharpest tool in the box though.
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« Reply #1028 on: November 27, 2015, 11:18:32 AM »

Question of the day

The result of the US Presidential Election next year is almost as important for us as anything else in British politics next year. Agree or disagree?

Disagree. It's far less relevant than we like to think, unless Trump gets in and then the whole world is fucked.
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« Reply #1029 on: November 27, 2015, 11:20:22 AM »

surely we want them to listen and adapt in the face of good counter arguments ?

Actually we don't - we then berate them for 'broken promises'. Don't we all need to grow up and not see plans and policies as some kind of solemn promise.

True, but when you are joke party with a joke leader who very few can take seriously, what else are you left with but berating someone for changing their opinion to something you wanted in the first place anyway?

Really enjoyed the politics of the last few months, it's great to see labour being shown up as the numpties they are  
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« Reply #1030 on: November 27, 2015, 11:26:02 AM »

surely we want them to listen and adapt in the face of good counter arguments ?

Actually we don't - we then berate them for 'broken promises'. Don't we all need to grow up and not see plans and policies as some kind of solemn promise.

True, but when you are joke party with a joke leader who very few can take seriously, what else are you left with but berating someone for changing their opinion to something you wanted in the first place anyway?

Really enjoyed the politics of the last few months, it's great to see labour being shown up as the numpties they are  

I know you're (mostly) just winding people up, but would you really like to see Britain reduced to a one party state with no effective opposition?
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« Reply #1031 on: November 27, 2015, 11:30:58 AM »

Vote for action: Corbyn isolated from Shad Cab

Vote against: Corbyn over-rules Shad Cab

Free vote: Lab look unfit to govern.

Take your pick


I find it difficult to avoid the conclusion that Corbyn is fighting his parliamentary party first and foremost. could have easily just said "free vote on your conscience" weeks ago but instead the principles of his perfect pacifist world can't be altered and if he whips it, as the ludicrous dianne abbott suggests, then he has 12 of 16 shadow cabinet members who logically have to resign?
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« Reply #1032 on: November 27, 2015, 11:33:40 AM »

i find the "yes minister" elements of it absolutely fascinating

some good reading i found was

"The Corbyn letter isn’t so much about air strikes, but about a fight for power http://bit.ly/1PQIGcF "

"Corbyn no longer has the luxury of avoiding difficult choices. No good options, but he and Lab must pick one http://www.newstatesman.com/2015/11/majority-shadow-cabinet-back-air-strikes-syria-labour-position-undecided"

"Jeremy Cliffe ‏@JeremyCliffe

Labour moderates have only three possible futures: 1) move against leadership soon, 2) quit and set up new party, 3) watch as party dies."

"Labour source: Corbyn still wants a whipped vote AGAINST military action. Many of Shad Cab want a whipped vote IN FAVOUR of military action."

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« Reply #1033 on: November 27, 2015, 11:37:35 AM »

Question of the day

The result of the US Presidential Election next year is almost as important for us as anything else in British politics next year. Agree or disagree?

Agree if the republicans get in, as the impact on foreign policy will be massive. agree less if the democrats return
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« Reply #1034 on: November 27, 2015, 11:38:54 AM »

It's quite interesting watching Osborne - he is definitely, very rapidly, emerging in a prime ministerial way. Looking far less awkward etc


Isabel Hardman ‏@IsabelHardman

What does the spending review mean for Osborne’s leadership ambitions? My column in today’s Independent/i paper http://ind.pn/1MV0VaU
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