The UK Politics and EU Referendum thread - merged

[George2Loose]

Post count innit

[Woodsey]

Always thought blonde should have a block user button but Woodsey is right- if u don't like his views ignore him.

I usually ignore him completely.

But his attempts to troll people are getting ever more desperate.

I don't think I ever knew what the criteria for getting a ban on Blondepoker were, but if Woodsey's "contributions" to this thread are not not enough to recieve one, I assume they are no longer in place.

You have equally strong views as me and you frequently express them with a judgemental slant, so you aren't that much different for the most part. I never get personal with anyone here unless someone gives me a dig first, if they dig me I will give it back as simple as that, don't give if you can't take it. You are the worst person ever for calling people trolls when you disagree with them so I'm not taking that from you.

If someone was expressing views similar to mine about Cameron you wouldn't give a shit, if if wasn't towards someone you knew you would give less of a shit, you are being selective against me it's easy to see.. Just about everyone that dislikes my posts here and says something has very different opinions to me and I know who is likely to chirp up before I post and they are small in number, coincidence eh? I'm not changing anything for a small number of big babies who can't tolerate a view that is different to theirs.

I go back to the point, if anyone doesn't like what I write, ignore me.

Trying to get be banned? Who made you judge and jury? Pathetic  

[DaveShoelace]

Guys come on this is a politics thread, hardly the ideal environment for petty arguments, polarised debates and mud slinging.

Looks like I whooshed everyone with this little joke 

I am also finding Woodsey's derails a bit tiresome, but they are easily ignored and while Blonde is not a democracy, I think it would be a sorry state of affairs if anyone was banned from the politics thread for airing their political views. For those that have a problem, just remember that he represents a certain demographic that is present in politics and banning him would not change that, so better he is here IMO.

@Keith - love ya, really respect you, so please don't take this the wrong way, but a Woodsey derail whenever someone types 'Corbyn' is not vastly different to the way you almost always derail a thread whenever someone types 'Negreanu'. Now I happen to enjoy when you do, so please don't stop, but give Woodsey and his Sun reading Tory-ness a break.

@Woodsey - IMO most of this hostility would go if after you post slagging Corbyn, you just gave a concise factual opinion why you disapprove of the man (Ideally not 'he looks like a knob' or 'that fekin beard' etc)

[kukushkin88]

Guys come on this is a politics thread, hardly the ideal environment for petty arguments, polarised debates and mud slinging.

Looks like I whooshed everyone with this little joke 

I am also finding Woodsey's derails a bit tiresome, but they are easily ignored and while Blonde is not a democracy, I think it would be a sorry state of affairs if anyone was banned from the politics thread for airing their political views. For those that have a problem, just remember that he represents a certain demographic that is present in politics and banning him would not change that, so better he is here IMO.

@Keith - love ya, really respect you, so please don't take this the wrong way, but a Woodsey derail whenever someone types 'Corbyn' is not vastly different to the way you almost always derail a thread whenever someone types 'Negreanu'. Now I happen to enjoy when you do, so please don't stop, but give Woodsey and his Sun reading Tory-ness a break.

@Woodsey - IMO most of this hostility would go if after you post slagging Corbyn, you just gave a concise factual opinion why you disapprove of the man (Ideally not 'he looks like a knob' or 'that fekin beard' etc)

Good morning,

I was thinking it was a remarkable coincidence that you'd pinpointed our PM's major talents so aptly, mostly whooshed but not completely.

Have a good day all.

[TightEnd]

Here is why LibDems say their 5 tests on supporting Syria action have been met http://www.libdems.org.uk/five_tests

[RickBFA]

My feeling on Syria are a bit like Doobs - really torn.

Part of my thinks we have to make a stand, try to take apart their attempts to build their infrastructure, destroy their ability to earn cash from oil, take out their leadership etc.

On the other side of the coin we can see what a mess we have made in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya with no plan in place to make sure there wasn't a vacuum after military intervention - and Syria seems so complex a problem to solve.

Generally I am for not intervening and trying to impose our Western view of democracy on others but when they are as dangerous as ISIS we have a problem that is not going away any time soon.

Feels like we are between a rock and a hard place.

[MintTrav]

Here is why LibDems say their 5 tests on supporting Syria action have been met http://www.libdems.org.uk/five_tests

Several of the tests proposed by the Lib Dems don't appear to have been met, and Tim Farron''s conclusions read like someone who had made up his mind that he was going to agree and has shoehorned in ways that they have. Stating that the legal and diplomatic frameworks and the post-conflict strategy are the most critical requirements and he is satisfied with those, so will put up with some of the others, would have been more honest than pretending that the government has passed all of the Lib Dem tests. I guess they painted themselves into a corner by including non-critical items and this is the only way out.

Legal framework - met
Wider diplomatic framework - met
No-bomb zone - not met
Pressure on Saudi Arabia and USE - not met so far as we know
Post-conflict strategy - partly met
Muslim Brotherhood report - met
Investigation into funding terror groups in UK - met
Step up acceptance of Syrian refugees - not met
Rehome 3000 unaccompanied children - not met

[nirvana]

My feeling on Syria are a bit like Doobs - really torn.

Part of my thinks we have to make a stand, try to take apart their attempts to build their infrastructure, destroy their ability to earn cash from oil, take out their leadership etc.

On the other side of the coin we can see what a mess we have made in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya with no plan in place to make sure there wasn't a vacuum after military intervention - and Syria seems so complex a problem to solve.

Generally I am for not intervening and trying to impose our Western view of democracy on others but when they are as dangerous as ISIS we have a problem that is not going away any time soon.

Feels like we are between a rock and a hard place.

Yep. I think anyone who doesn't feel like this isn't thinking at all. Most of the debate is really between people who want to meditate and maybe score points about why we are caught between a rock and a hard place and those that just accept we are

[AndrewT]

I know it's a difficult decision to make, there are pros and cons on both sides, but having given it a lot of thought, I think I'm going to come down on the side of not launching airstrikes on Woodsey.

[Woodsey]

I know it's a difficult decision to make, there are pros and cons on both sides, but having given it a lot of thought, I think I'm going to come down on the side of not launching airstrikes on Woodsey.

Bring it on sunshine 

[MANTIS01]

I was watching this Western the other night. There were these three Cowboys who had taken a prisoner and had him tied up. This guy was a nasty piece of work and had murdered several people. The Cowboys were rigging up a hangman's noose to kill this guy when another Cowboy turned up. This one was very religious and said killing was evil, he said people can change given the chance and even though it was the Wild West compassion and forgiveness can still be shown.

As they relaxed and started contemplating this notion the prisoner managed to wrestle a knife from the religious one and stabbed him in the face. Then he took his gun and shot the other 3 Cowboys dead before stealing their horses and riding off into the sunset. All I could think of was that religious one.....that's Jeremy Corbyn that is. It's the Wild West Jeremy.

Oh and cool that some folks want to agitate bans for posters at a time when Blonde needs contribution. Winning strategy that. Too many Corbyns knocking about I think.

[titaniumbean]

Here is why LibDems say their 5 tests on supporting Syria action have been met http://www.libdems.org.uk/five_tests

this just seems as said, like they are fitting their points to a pre made decision.


at what point is legal even a thing. we have a home office that 'know drugs are dangerous BECAUSE they are illegal', sick logic brah.

we have allies who refuse to conform to international law because they love to torture and oppress other people and take no responsibility for it whilst constantly furthering self serving aims all across the world in the names of 'democracy and defending the nation'.


Whilst Corbyn has managed to often come off a bit idiotic, the media attention he has garnered, and the approach/attitude methods of Cameron only lead me to support JC more and truly hope DC dies in a big grease fire. I am a terrorist sympathiser and I clearly hate the UK right? because I don't want to kill foreign civilians or go to war on the basis of the other big kids said we should and they like totally wanna bomb some stuff, come join us it's fun.

Stating that we are going to bomb them to WIN and then use absolutely zero forethought to have it all fall into place as a lovely peaceful democratic country is just utterly mind numbing. Not learning from our past mistakes of bombing to win and then enabling the region to be even more unstable, whilst selling arms to appalling regimes we back and calling our own countries opposition the 'terrorist sympathisers' is absolutely disgusting.


look at this prick
https://twitter.com/jamesedmunds228/status/671794496997339136

two faced, lying, warmongering douschebag.

Blair must be loving being made to look good!

[TightEnd]

Here is why LibDems say their 5 tests on supporting Syria action have been met http://www.libdems.org.uk/five_tests

this just seems as said, like they are fitting their points to a pre made decision.


at what point is legal even a thing. we have a home office that 'know drugs are dangerous BECAUSE they are illegal', sick logic brah.

we have allies who refuse to conform to international law because they love to torture and oppress other people and take no responsibility for it whilst constantly furthering self serving aims all across the world in the names of 'democracy and defending the nation'.


Whilst Corbyn has managed to often come off a bit idiotic, the media attention he has garnered, and the approach/attitude methods of Cameron only lead me to support JC more and truly hope DC dies in a big grease fire. I am a terrorist sympathiser and I clearly hate the UK right? because I don't want to kill foreign civilians or go to war on the basis of the other big kids said we should and they like totally wanna bomb some stuff, come join us it's fun.

Stating that we are going to bomb them to WIN and then use absolutely zero forethought to have it all fall into place as a lovely peaceful democratic country is just utterly mind numbing. Not learning from our past mistakes of bombing to win and then enabling the region to be even more unstable, whilst selling arms to appalling regimes we back and calling our own countries opposition the 'terrorist sympathisers' is absolutely disgusting.


look at this prick
https://twitter.com/jamesedmunds228/status/671794496997339136

two faced, lying, warmongering douschebag.

Blair must be loving being made to look good!

More moderate language would be welcome please

we really dont want anyone from whatever political viewpoint to "die in a big greasefire" do we?

nor do we need to call anyone a warmongering douchebag, however spelt

much like Woodsey trolling, which is unwelcome for someone who is a professional and softly spoken sensible man (when you meet him), it spoils what is an informative thread


this thread has over a thousand replies and 20,000 views and i dont think a post has ever been deleted off it. its an oasis of manners and civility that we can cultivate further, hopefully

lets keep it that way.

[RickBFA]

The problem is of course that any PM has to pragmatic. No PM can realistically turn round and say for example "I have principles and therefore I wont have any dealings with China because of their human rights record".

The real world doesn't work like that.

You have to deal with and trade with regimes that you don't like.

It's easy to take cheap shots on twitter.

[AlunB]

The problem is of course that any PM has to pragmatic. No PM can realistically turn round and say for example "I have principles and therefore I wont have any dealings with China because of their human rights record".

The real world doesn't work like that.

You have to deal with and trade with regimes that you don't like.

It's easy to take cheap shots on twitter.

Cameron has become the king of the cheap shots. And usually knowingly cynical ones at that. Remember the letter to the Treasury during the election? Saying that Corbyn called Bin Laden's death a tragedy? This latest terrorist sympathisers nonsense? Today he went for some odd "women raping, muslim murdering, medieval death cult" type soundbite in the commons debate. Sakes.

He increasingly talks like a Sun editorial. It's bizarre. I used to think he was a man of some honesty and integrity. I honestly don't know what to think any more. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely I guess.

Shame.